Sorry for broken english but I need to contextualize a little bit.
I'm a law student here in Brazil (last semester of university) and the thing is, when you sue a company, the legal representative of the company is normally the owner or CEO when the company is situated within the country, or another appointed worker. What happened was, when Elon closed the brazillian offices of Twitter, they let go of the person that was in charge (as legal representantive of the company), they had and still have a lawyer present in the Case (the subpoena the Supreme Court posted on Twitter was first seen by their lawyer, who signaled being aware of it). So it's not as simple as just hiring another lawyer, he will have to hire someone that is willing to be Legal representantive of this shitshow that we are watching
It gets worse when you know more than two languages, even moreso when they overlap. I've had numerous times when my brain freezes and goes "Was that the word for it in Italian... or Spanish...? Which one is it?" check "They're the same! FUCK!"
English words are so common in Hindi nowadays that it is a very frequent occurrence....I for the life of me cannot remember what they call a table in Hindi, fuck.
I speak a fair amount of Spanish, enough so that when I hear Espanglish I just take it in stride. Was driving some Indian students around last week and chuckled to myself every time I heard a bit of Hinglish!
I'd never really eaten aubergine, maybe like twice in my life, until I lived in Spain for just 3 months and my housemates would always bring home berenjenas all the time. Even now, I can read the word 'aubergine' on a menu and in my heads little internal voice I hear the word 'berenjena'. It's just makes more sense to me, cos even though it wasn't a very long time that I was there, I probably ate/encountered 5000% more berenjenas/aubergines than I'd ever eaten in my entire life lol
Anyway, that was a super boring little tidbit of my brain,
Most of the native Hindi speakers I knew mostly spoke Hinglish anyway. 😂 My old landlady was from Goa and she'd just switch from Hindi to English mid sentence when talking with other Indians
My best friend would do this when we were in middle school. She would switch to her native language, and I would lose the plot. What's funny is that it would take me a couple of seconds to figure it out. Like what? What are you saying?
It's the worst experience when you're remembering a word in two languages out of three but not in the correct one and the other person doesn't speak the other two languages.
Then you look like an idiot because your brain is conceptualising your thoughts in the wrong bloody language.
It gets worse when you realize that the sentence you wanted to say doesn't really fit in your language. For example, if someone does something for you, you'd say that you appreciate it. In German, that sentence would sound sorta stiff. Happens all the time
Yup... I grew up speaking English and Greek (dad was from Greece) and later studied German in high school and college. Now I'm learning Spanish. There have been numerous times where I've used a word from a different language while speaking another. Another common mistake of mine involves Spanish and Greek... There's a few false cognates... In particular, "aquí," pronounced "ah-KEE," meaning "here" in Spanish and "εκεί," pronounced "eh-KEE," meaning "there" in Greek. I often screw that up in interesting ways in both languages.
I’d just like to note that I learned the German equivalent to the English phrase “It’s all Greek to me” to be “Es ist mir Spanisch”, and your repertoire of languages makes me feel for the strain that must be on your brain all the time lol
This is a huge trap in French. The literal translation of "excited" is excité(e) and that's what Google Translate will tell you. But in French, excité(e) means excited in the sexual sense, like horny.
THIS! I am always impressed with folk that speak multiple languages. I worked with a gent who knew 4 languages AND 17 Spanish dialects. Which I can not fathom.
I'm a native English speaker, but I also speak a bit of German and Spanish, my brain definitely gets confused between the two even though they're practically completely different.
Also, spoken English vs written English varies a ton. So a non-native speaker has trouble keeping up in conversations, studies extra hard, and when writing their grammar is often better than native speakers.
For those who grow up speaking it but not studying the language as much, their writing tends to be weaker as it's often based on their speaking patterns
Funny, I was interviewing potential employees. This woman proudly said that she speaks both languages. I just looked at her, thinking she was going to clarify. Nope, just proudly stared at me. She was so proud of herself that I just had to hire her. You go on and kick some ass young lady!
There’s also no accent when you write. I’ve met people who can write perfect English but have an extremely hard to understand accent because most of their practice is writing.
Better yet, I bet he could explain grammatical concepts like present participles, finite verbs, and objective cases better than I ever could. And English is my first language.
reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where some germans bought the nuclear panner plant, and one guy apologized to Homer for his inelegant english while clearly speaking more better than him
If you're really dumb, you can also just say it before any comment even though English is the only language you speak. This way most people will either compliment you or explain the mistakes you've made in a very kind manner.
It is very good English but there's a little trick when it comes to finding "undercover" Brazilians, which is that we over punctuate the hell out of sentences. That's a tell you may find in the wild.
Another important thing is that the judge didn’t decided of his own will for no reason that X/Twitter needs another representative in the country, it’s the law, right?
Our Civil Law Code says that is necessary for every Foreign Company to have a legal representative, what happens is a lot of web companys do not have this LR (I will shorten it like this so I don't get to spell everytime), so what the courts normaly do when there are litigations involving those companies is: 1) The courts will issue a warning to the company; 2) A Fine is established so that the company appoint a LR; 3) If the company has yet to appoint a LR, the Courts can determine the temporary suspension of the activities, then in the last step 4) The Courts can effectively block the activities in the country.
Just to add, the monocratic decision that was given by Moraes (the SC Judge) was just unanemously endorsed by the 1º Class of the Brazilian Supreme Court (that means that another 5 judges agreed with him, but also made him clarify what the infamous fine for people that used VPN, this question in specific is not yet settled.
And to be frank, I don't condone every action that was taken by Moraes, blocking the Starlink accounts was way too far in my opinion (and in the opinions of a lot of progressive and leftist jurists) but Musk really snobbed the brazilian law, while blocking content and accounts in other countries without arguing (Turkey, India), he tried to gamble and it has not (yet) paid off, because the decision to block the app is controversial, but the endorsement of other SC judges and a large part of the Lawyers, Law authors and Professors in Brazil had made it quite clear (to whoever wants to understand) that there is reasoning behind the decision.
At last, I will say that if Musk was not a shithead and Moraes was not so self-absorved and selfish we would not be seing this situation (he is following the law to the letter, but he is only doing this because Musk provoked him to). I would compare it to a unstoppable force meets an imovable object.
At last, I will say that if Musk was not a shithead and Moraes was not so self-absorved and selfish we would not be seing this situation (he is following the law to the letter, but he is only doing this because Musk provoked him to). I would compare it to a unstoppable force meets an imovable object.
That's a completely counterfactual conclusion to reach. This has very little to do with the specific personality of the specific judge. As you just pointed out yourself other jurists agrees with him, from scholars to practicing lawyers to other supreme court judges.
No judiciary anywhere is going to idly suffer such an attack on their authority and legitimacy.
The only instances I'm aware of in history where a judiciary does are the ones where a fascist party/dictatorship takes complete control of the country itself.
I do think you are right in this, I must've shared my personal opinion in a way that's not clear that I think he did the right thing by following our local law
That's a completely counterfactual conclusion to reach. This has very little to do with the specific personality of the specific judge. As you just pointed out yourself other jurists agrees with him, from scholars to practicing lawyers to other supreme court judges.
Depends on what we're talking about. The decisions regarding fining people using VPNs and freezing Starlink's assets have been very controversial and publicly criticized by many here in Brazil.
The decisions of the supreme court also often have a political undertone to them, it's not as black and white as applying the law correctly or not. After 4 years of Bolsonaro being at constant odds with the supreme court, constantly pushing his supporters to see the judges as enemies, finally culminating in the invasion and vandalism or the supreme court by his rabid fan base in January 8th of 2023, the Supreme Court (specially Moraes) have been very personally invested in the topic of regulating online speech in an inherently biased manner.
This is just the latest chapter of a fight Moraes has been fighting for the last 2 or 3 years or so, which got more international attention than it otherwise would due to Musk's involvement. It's easy to see Moraes as "the good guy" in the story when the people on the other side are extremist right wing nutjobs, but a lot of his actions have been very personal and overbearing, and despite hating Bolsonaro I also feel like Moraes seems to be power tripping pretty hard and I find concerning a single judge can do so much on his own.
I like you, man. You're good people.
Thanks for the explanation and the clarity.
I visited Brazil for the first time earlier this year: stayed in Sao Paulo, Rio, and Bahia. I love your country. Just like any country I'm sure it's got flaws that a tourist wouldn't pick up, but if I was going to live outside of America, it would be on the short list.
Hey, just as a fyi "class" is probably not the best translation for "turma" in this context. There's no direct equivalent in the US legal system, but the best approximation would be "panel". Trying to talk about legal systems in a foreign language is always difficult, I guess.
At last, I will say that if Musk was not a shithead and Moraes was not so self-absorved and selfish we would not be seing this situation (he is following the law to the letter, but he is only doing this because Musk provoked him to). I would compare it to a unstoppable force meets an imovable object.
What do you mean by "Moraes was not so self-absorved and selfish"?
Thanks for the tip! I really didn't know how to translate it and still try to make sense of it.
As for the part that I diss Moraes, I can say that his Ego is gigantic, he is following the law to the letter don't get me wrong, but I do feel that this has become a little of a personal vendetta of his because of the attacks that musk did on him. I guess that if the owner of the company wasn't so dismissive of the Court powers and rulings, and didn't kept attacking the Judge in question, that he would just keep pilling fines upon fines, and not do something so drastic as banning the app, because let's be real, that's a gigantic step to take and it can (and it is) be ill-received by a large part of the international community
Thanks for the tip! I really didn't know how to translate it and still try to make sense of it.
Sure thing! I had to do a little research to find the best translation, I knew "class" wasn't it but also wasn't immediately sure about what the correct term would be because SCOTUS doesn't do things like STF does.
As to Alexandre de Moraes, I think his problem isn't so much his ego as is his sort of "Batman syndrome", he's always been a bit of the sort that believes that the ends justify the means if it's done in the name of Justice. He's obviously not super thrilled about what Elon has been saying about him personally, but I do believe his biggest problem is with the blatant disregard for the rule of law and the disrespect towards the Court. I also think that at least for now the reception from the international community has mostly been positive, Elon has been crossing too many lines in too many places for it to be otherwise.
That said, it's ironic that a bunch of people that were against his nomination to the STF had a problem with his authoritarian tendencies, but the people who are now whining about him wanted him because they never thought they'd be the ones in the crosshairs. I can't help but enjoy the schadenfreude, not gonna lie.
Sinceramente é uma estratégia dele em arrumar forças pro argumento de que agora não é mais uma decisão só dele. Acho que de qualquer modo seria muito mais justo e até mais republicano levar ao plenário do STF, a questão que a chamada de que foi "referendado por unanimidade" é algo que chama muita atenção.
No fim das contas ainda seria uma votação 9x2, até possível um 10x1 considerando que Mendonça não tem divergido tanto em votações assim, o Nunes Marques seria bem voto vencido.
It is more in a legal and jurisprudential kind of way of speaking. Law dictates that if the companies are part of the same economic group this can happen, but in the case of Starlink/X the thing connecting them is Elon, this can and will create some sort of legal uncertainty on next decisions on disregard of legal personality (I translated the term, really don't know if it has the same connotation in both languages)
There is nothing wrong with your English; you did a wonderful job of breaking down the exact situation and further highlighting what an egotistical idiot Musk is.
I really don't think so. They can try to force them to do it by threatening to revoke Starlink contracts with the brazilian armed forces, but I don't really know how they will base this or how they will actively block Starlink, it is a tricky situation
Dude/dudette, your English is better than most of the American's I know. Most of us can only speak English, and we cant even pull that off properly. Yall over in other countries are speaking English as a third, fourth, fifth, whatever language and you do it far better than we do.
Trump would have started with several $100,000,000.00 counter suits against the country of Brazil the judges on the case the prosecutors on the case and anyone in the country that wears a brassiere because he gets the word confused with the word brazil.
Anyone else remember last week on one of the first reddit posts about Brazil banning twitter, when weird little accounts popped up saying "take it from me mr. brasil from brasil, we're having our free speech trampled by tyrants :((("
Judge says Twitter has to appoint new legal representation. Elon says nope.
It's even funnier: since Elon had no legal representation, they couldn't serve him. So they did it by tweeting the notice. Elon replied to it, which serves as legal evidence he got the notice. All he had to do was ignore it, and he'd get some leeway in this case. Instead, he joked about it, and caused the case to move on to Twitter getting blocked.
I loved this part, everybody debating on Twitter itself whether or not he had been legally served and then he tweets about it... Everybody just goes "welp, moot point now I guess"
He also banned a bunch of opposition accounts in Turkey shortly before the first round of elections, crippling the opposition communication before the second round of elections ( the difference we close to 4%).
there are plenty of real examples where Musk doesn't give a shit about free speech rights and bans people just because he doesn't like what they are about
It's important to note that the basis for the ruling ordering the accounts deleted was that they had been directly involved in planning the January '23 attack on the Brazilian Congress, and had used Twitter to do so. The judge is also investigating them for hate speech, but these 7 accounts aren't being targeted simply because they're far-right racists.
It's completely unsurprising that accounts used to plan an attempted military coup would be ordered blocked, that's not actually considered free speech anywhere (it's furtherance of a criminal conspiracy). It's also a result that could happen in any country on earth, including the USA.
to add some context, the issue wasn't just about blocking right wing extremists and Nazis, it was also to do with the fact that some Brazilians were using twitter to spread CP and commit other illegal activities (such as inciting a coup to take over the country due to election results, etc.) and Elon refused to share their data with the authorities to help with the arrests
To add some more context, Elon has bent over backwards to satisfy right-wing dictators such as Erdogan, but when it comes to Brazil suddenly he's a free speech absolutist again
I haven't heard about distribution of CP, but i have heard about inciting and coordination of coup, instigating violence and distribution of hate speech.
correct. He’s out of his mind and owning the biggest social media company has sent him over the edge. Nothing he does makes sense. He’s full on maga now and god knows why. The clips of his interview w trump weee pathetic. He would ask a question and listen to trumps insane answer and then just say Uh huh.
Things aren’t going to end well for elon. I’ve just got a feeling that anyone who backs the traitor conman felon is going to be a very sad person very soon.
I kind of think that's what most "free speech absolutists" mean when they talk about absolute free speech:
"I should be able to say out loud any random-thought-tumbleweed which blows across my empty, barren wasteland of a mind, and I should also not have consequences for this free expression of thought, and also you're the "thought police" if you so much as try to shame me for putting my inside thoughts on the outside!"
annnnd, there is especific regulation that all major social netwroks in brazil MUST have legal representation, and telegram and whatsapp have been previously banned and re-instated and he knew it all along and actually planned for the ban, Elon wanted to be banned, he just wants to make a point to get some nazi in brazil elected using billions to pose as the small guy fighting the powers that be, extra funny now he is included in investigations into election manipulation and hate speech dissemination, he can even be arrested in the US or any interpol country
And there's already been a new chapter to this. Starlink refuses to block Twitter in Brazil. This is what happens when you put everything into the hands of one person or organization. You can't block the content if they're also the service provider.
And now he is using his personal satalite network to circumvent the rule of law of a sovereign state. This guy needs to be stopped before he blows up a country or personally causes a war.
You skipped a few steps, you skipped when Moraes threaneted the last representative with arrest, by his own team typing the email wrong, this is in a public document.
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