r/InternationalNews • u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa • Mar 23 '24
International Hamas denounces Moscow terror attack
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/03/23/316342/65
u/HyGrlCnUSyBlingBling Mar 23 '24
Is it known who the attackers were?
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Mar 23 '24
Also ISIS is literally hated by the whole Muslim world and many Muslim countries fight them and kill them, it's safe to say they are Imposters that like to cosplay as Muslims for god knows what reasons.
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u/lgot_hacked Mar 24 '24
they use islam to fool misguided muslims into thinking "jihad", as described in the holy quran, includes killing innocents.
the word jihad means to struggle to do a good deed.
like if i work and i struggle, thats jihad.
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Mar 24 '24
Isis was literally created by the US. There’s pictures of isis leadership sitting with US politicians from many years ago.
They have state of the art US weapons.
Their take over was possible because of the US destabilizing the levant with their illegal war.
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u/dummypod Mar 24 '24
We hate the US and hate ISIS, but we don't need to make up conspiracy theories to further disparage them. There's already plenty of reasons to diss on the US, no need to make up fictional ones
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u/Formal_Decision7250 Mar 24 '24
The "Isis is a US invention" meme was started by Russia, mostly because both countries were involved in Syria. And the US was assisting rebels there.
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u/For-a-peaceful-world Mar 24 '24
The US propped up Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
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u/Formal_Decision7250 Mar 24 '24
The US propped up Bin Laden to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.
To an extent.
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u/cryptoguerrilla Mar 26 '24
That’s not fake. We (U.S.) were fighting ISIS in Iraq while supplying them with weapons and logistics in Syria.
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u/unnatural_rights Mar 24 '24
Isis was literally created by the US. There’s pictures of isis leadership sitting with US politicians from many years ago.
Care to share?
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u/googleuser2390 Mar 24 '24
It wasn't.
He's just repeating a popular conspiracy theory without knowing anything about where it came from or why it's ridiculous.
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u/unnatural_rights Mar 24 '24
That's my suspicion as well, but I'm always curious to see if folks will actually engage when called out on prima facie lies like this.
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u/-kerosene- Mar 24 '24
It totally exists and he’s seen it, he just can’t find it right now.
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u/Formal_Decision7250 Mar 24 '24
It totally exists and he’s seen it, he just can’t find it right now.
"I don't have time for this but if you google it and do your on resuurch you'll see its true"
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u/TrueLiars207 Mar 24 '24
I saw that picture years ago when conspiracy theorists were running around with it. A guy that looks like the leader of the murder-cult standing with US officials. Keyword “looks like”. Everyone has someone that looks like them somewhere in the world.
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u/Monterenbas Mar 24 '24
Isis was literally created by the US. There’s pictures of isis leadership sitting with US politicians from many years ago.
Can we see this picture?
They have state of the art US weapons.
Maybe cause the Iraki army run away, like a bunch of chickens, abandoning all their US made weapons?
Their take over was possible because of the US destabilizing the levant with their illegal war.
You mean Bashar el Assad plunging Syria into a civil war, that allow salafists groups to gain power and territory, coupled with Shia irakis, persecuting the Sunni minority, wich then led to the rise of ISIS?
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u/Mei_Flower1996 Mar 24 '24
"god knows what reason" because they are Western plants to make Muslims look bad
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u/TrueLiars207 Mar 24 '24
That’s absolutely true, all Muslim countries hate and kill isis. They are nothing short of a death cult going around killing innocent people no matter their religion, race or politics.
They are considered outside the fold of humans, by the entire Muslim World. A virus that has yet to be eradicated and lays dormant until their next strike at a market place or hotel or gathering of women, children and families.
It’s like a collection of mentally ill mass shooters that the age of internet has bought together.
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u/speakhyroglyphically Mar 23 '24
At least one attacker has been confirmed by Russia to be a Ukrainian citizen
Do you have a source for that? I looked but cant find that anywhere
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u/Visible-Mixture-6072 Mar 23 '24
Can you back up the Israel hospital thing? Sounds interesting
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u/ThrownAwayAndReborn Mar 24 '24 edited Mar 24 '24
Here is an article in 2015 in the Israeli Times with government officials admitting directly aiding the Al-Nusra Front, a terrorist organization with the goal of overthrowing the Syrian government and establishing the "Islamic State".
Here is a Daily Mail article from 2015 speculating on the political and strategic reasons why Israel would aid this group of terrorist militants.
The "why" of the matter is largely speculative, but it is outright admitted and logged into the historical record that they aided these groups.
Edit: u/TrueLiars207 is a hasbara account with< 10 karma
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u/crappysignal Mar 24 '24
There were 10s of groups fighting at the beginning of the Syrian civil war.
Funded by the UK, France, US, Israel, KSA etc.
ISIS didn't exist at that point.
Israel did at times appear to have at minimum agreements with Daesh. After all they share common enemies in Iran and Syria.
The US allowed them to rape and pillage for the same reason. Russia were the only country to fight them because they Assad's a close ally and Daesh was very Chechen.
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u/TrueLiars207 Mar 24 '24
You really have no clue of what actually happened in Syria.
Al-Nusra went to war with ISI (Islamic state in Iraq) who came in from Iraq to usurp the nusra front. A war broke out and isi got a footing in Syria and became ISIS (Islamic state in Syria and Iraq).
ISIS declared everyone that’s not them heretics and went on a killing spree of Muslims and non-Muslims around the world.
Most ISIS victims are Muslims.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
Bullshit. Putin was warned about the threat if an attack from IS and did nothing to warn Russians. Are you seriously going to believe this is the work of Ukraiwjen it is absolutely not the kind of attack they would make?
Are you also not aware that IS considers Russia enemy number one? That when Russia started to support Assad in Syria they hobbled IS? That Russia has been helping governments in multiple African countries to fight IS? That IS has already taken responsibility for the attack?
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u/wishtherunwaslonger Mar 23 '24
Israel didn’t give money. They allowed other countries to give money. Isis propped up by the US lmfao.
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u/WebBorn2622 Mar 23 '24
ISIS
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Mar 23 '24
I thought we “wiped them out” because it’s totally possible to wipe out a terrorist organization.
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u/Glittering_Oil_5950 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24
ISIS is still in control of Iraq and Syria? Didn’t know. Don’t talk about things you know nothing about. I guess it’s also impossible to get rid of Israel by that logic.
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u/BBOoff Mar 24 '24
Insurgencies are like boulders: you can smash them with a hammer (military force) so that they no longer block a space and prevent you from using it.
However, after you smash the boulder, you are still left with a large amount of gravel and rock dust. If you want the boulder to be completely gone, you need to use first a shovel (policing), then a broom (social services, political enfranchisement), and finally a mop (raising the standard of living). This is a long, slow process (especially since an insurgency is a living thing, so it is constantly trying to heal itself T-1000 style).
You can eliminate an insurgency, but it is a long, slow process that requires the proper tools used in the proper sequence.
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Mar 24 '24
Give them time. Their attacks are escalating and they have spread to many countries
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u/alejandrocab98 Mar 28 '24
So we should have done nothing and kept letting them burn people alive in cages carte blanche across 2 countries? Glad you’re rooting for them smooth brain
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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24
Why? Is it because the Ideology is so widespread and worsened by military efforts to confront them when orchestrated at a state level? Counterpoint: Nazi Germany.
The difference is Religion.
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Mar 23 '24
... are you unaware of the fact that Nazi ideology didn't die out and exists all over the place, including right-wing domestic terror groups?
Destroying a state is like excising a tumor. It doesn't rid one of cancer.
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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24
Are you suggesting axis defeat in WWII served no benefit to the world?
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Mar 23 '24
No, it simply defeated a state, not an ideology. Religion isn't the only source of ideology.
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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24
Yes and defeating the state that gave rise, protection and power to that ideology was of great benefit to the world. The same will be true of Palestine
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Mar 24 '24
I don't see how Palestine will be able to wipe out Zionist ideology without substantial international support, but I hope you're right about that.
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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24
Zionist ideology? Like the idea that Jews might have primary political power in an established state? Pretty Israel is a pluralistic democracy where anyone can enter public office regardless of religion, and every citizen has equal rights regardless of religious affiliation, and where the diversity of religious, cultural and ethnic background is far greater than any of the Muslim majority theocracies with which it shares land borders. Take Palestine for example, 99.9% Muslim, the law enforces state execution for apostasy from Islam. Death for being gay. Stoning for being a woman who exercises equal liberties as men. Where support for the genocide of Jews is at about 96% and pretty much always has been. Where two state solutions are universally rejected because the widespread religious extremism across Palestine and most Muslim majority countries dictates that the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Levant is a direct offence to Allah and Islam, violent antisemitism is baked into the Quran and Hadith. #religionofpeace
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Mar 23 '24
And Hamas and ISIS are mortal enemies.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
Why conflate Hamas and IS? Not the same, not connected. Palestinian Islamic Jihad works with Hamas, at times, but not IS.
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u/Bannedfromred93 Mar 24 '24
4 months ago:
"Russia will pay the price for supporting Israel's enemies." - Amir Weitmann, Head of Israel's liberitarian caucus in Israel's ruling party
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u/QuantumTopology Mar 25 '24
Also Victoria Nuland a few weeks ago - "we've got some nice surprises coming for Russia"
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u/HyGrlCnUSyBlingBling Mar 23 '24
Well, that was unexpected...
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u/_Richter_Belmont_ Mar 23 '24
According to articles they've been trying to perpetrates an attack in Moscow for at least the last month.
Im so confused honestly. Firstly, didn't they basically get defeated to the point of only having a few small pockets of control in Syria? Secondly, why Moscow of all places??
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u/ComradeKenten Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24
Because they are being funned by the US. If you notice resent ISIS attacks have been against us enemies. That also suppor Israel in the Palestine conflict which no principaled Muslim would do. They are just a US puppet at this point.
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u/cech_ Mar 23 '24
This is the dumbest take. Why would U.S. warn them then? They even shared the U.S. intelligence with Russian officials on top of the public announcement.
Whats even the benefit to the U.S. or Ukraine for that matter? It galvanizes Russians and doesn't hurt their combat effectiveness at all. All the Ukrainian attacks on Russian soil have been on military targets for the last 3 years. Thats a proven track record.
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u/FizzixMan Mar 23 '24
What are you on about, the US PUBLICLY warned Russia of these attacks DAYS before they happened.
Putin even responded to the US warnings of the Moscow terror attack by mocking them as Western intelligence trying to stir up trouble.
Get your America first mind out of Global politics.
Russia has been killing many ISIS members in Syria for years (and terror groups elsewhere) and this is their response.
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u/UnderstandingTop7916 Mar 23 '24
They gave a cryptic warning to insulate themselves from accusations as they know people like you would go to bat for them.
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u/blackpharaoh69 Mar 23 '24
And this was after Russia was supposed to have arrested a group of them.
Supposedly it's isis K, the Afghan franchise, that is said to be responsible for this.
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u/FizzixMan Mar 23 '24
This is actually ISIS-K not ISIS, it’s an offshoot that does not focus primarily on the caliphate.
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u/Rownever Mar 23 '24
The thing to keep in mind about ISIS is it’s multiple groups working together- the main group of ISIS in Syria is pretty much dead, with almost all of their territory taken back by either the coalition against them or a Syrian faction. Their allied groups in other regions are still around, and still using the same branding and tactics, just with different places and populations.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
Russia is enemy number one for IS, Russia supported Assad against IS and has been fighting IS in multiple African nations for years. We just don’t hear much about it because it does involve the US.
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Mar 23 '24
I mean, the Allies defeated the Nazis too. Doesn’t mean them and their ideology aren’t still a problem today.
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u/HulkSmashHulkRegret Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24
It goes back to Trump’s ordered US withdrawal from Syria in 2019; it was very abrupt and poorly executed, including the apparently unintended release of hundreds of ISIS prisoners! These prisoners also included captured Afghan remnants from Al Quada who joined ISIS and after Guantanamo Bay fell out of favor. The withdrawal was so hastily done, the US military was preoccupied with evacuating themselves before US air strikes obliterated their own bases (to prevent them from falling into enemy hands), so the ISIS prisoners fell through the cracks as some handoff of the Prisoners that was supposed to happen didn’t happen...
The overall military handoff was to Turkey, so these ISIS fighters did have to focus on their own survival for a while, but they’ve had time to regroup and rebuild, and now we’re seeing the predictable outcome.
That’s the “why now”, but as for why Russia, they’re spread so very thin in terms of domestic security, given the human and materiel resources they’ve been pouring into Ukraine the past few years; of all of ISIS’s enemies, Russia is the easiest target at this point
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u/Sahyooni Mar 23 '24
Russia supports Hamas far more than ISIS, which considers Hamas to be sacrilegious nationalists.
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u/MonotonousBeing Mar 23 '24
I thought they‘re from Tajikistan
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u/PsychLegalMind Mar 23 '24
I thought they‘re from Tajikistan
I do not have that information. They could be from anywhere and likely multiple countries. The primary issue is who assisted them and why the 4 gunmen were heading to Ukraine and how the Ukrainians are involved. At least that is the significant part for the Russians and Putin.
One of them said on the video a payment equivalent of a few thousand dollars was already deposited to his account via a debit card. I doubt he will still see the rest of it. He went on to say he did it only for money. I have a feeling a lot more confession will be forthcoming. From all 15 of them.
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u/blackpharaoh69 Mar 23 '24
Neo Nazi groups and now the ghosts of daesh. I wonder what's next in the bag of tricks
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u/WurstofWisdom Mar 23 '24
If you believe the word of a dictator then sure. Putin appears to have forgotten who is controlling the Ukrainian boarder at the moment.
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u/SweetTea1000 Mar 24 '24
Safe to say Russian sources just can't be trusted on this or any other issue. They lie so often that you can't even trust them when they're trying to be truthful. I wouldn't trust a Russian weather report at this point.
Russian media has rendered themselves "cry wolf." Fool me once, shame on me, attempt to fool everyone with every word that comes out of your mouth... render your voice meaningless.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
“Russia is convinced,” no, Russia is exploiting an attack that is a style that Ukrainians would not use, they do not do terrorism, they have not, unlike Russia, targeted civilians. Russia was warned and did nothing to warn Russians. And Russia is the number one enemy of IS because of their support for Assad and how it hobbled IS in Syria, and because Russia has been fighting IS in multiple African nations.
Believing Russia is just crazy.
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u/WurstofWisdom Mar 23 '24
This is a pro-Hamas/Russia/Iran sub masquerading as a news site. So it figures
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u/PsychLegalMind Mar 23 '24
Hamas leadership along with many other world leaders extended its condolences for the barbaric attack on the Russian concert goers.
“We condemn in the strongest terms the terrorist attack that targeted civilians in Moscow, leaving dozens dead or wounded,” Hamas said in a statement yesterday.
Hamas offered its sincerest condolences to the Russian leadership and people, and the families of the victims and wished a speedy recovery for the wounded.
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u/SweetTea1000 Mar 24 '24
AI chat bots exist now. There's no limit on how many shills any country can put out. Social media cannot be trusted as a news source.
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u/TrueLiars207 Mar 24 '24
If they can’t take over this subreddit they will just have it banned. If Reddit doesn’t follow orders then Reddit will go the way of TikTok, banned.
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u/_Richter_Belmont_ Mar 23 '24
Damn even Hamas getting involved in the geopolitical game now.
This is like when Russia condemns Israel's invasion of Palestine.
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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt Mar 23 '24
no surprise, everyone always try to gather sympathetic allies they can to their cause
Besides despite Israel's cheap propaganda ISIS view Hamas (and many others) as apostates, so HAMAS doesn't incurre in any loss critizising and denouncing them
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u/cech_ Mar 23 '24
ISIS can't even get along with the Taliban.
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u/knakworst36 Mar 24 '24
Which makes sense. They’re totally different organizations from different fundamentalist traditions.
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u/craigthecrayfish Mar 23 '24
Pretty much every single condemnation any geopolitical entity makes is hypocritical on some level.
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u/newtoreddir Mar 23 '24
Hamas are the legitimate government and the representatives of the Palestinian people and cause on the global stage. That they would make such statements and play the “game” is to be expected.
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u/iheartanimorphs Mar 23 '24
I’ve heard that Hamas and Russia have some loose diplomatic ties, so it makes sense.
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u/player89283517 Mar 24 '24
The Israel-ISIS alliance has to be one of the most confusing ones in geopolitics
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u/YouThunkd Mar 23 '24
Genuinely, what would the CIA or Mossad gain from killing only 40 random civilians in Moscow? The men themselves were from a region that has been under Russian rule for centuries now, and has been thoroughly re-pacified over the past few decades. I just don’t see what gain the West could even get from killing them.
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u/MkarezFootball Mar 24 '24
Make the world hate Muslims again, since there's "shocking" support to Mulims on the Israeli aggression
Pressurize & threaten Russia to tone it down with Ukraine
Add chaos to geopolitics & the whole situation
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u/YouThunkd Mar 24 '24
Russia is a nuclear power, if the west threatens them with violence like this it’s like giving them a blank check to do what they please in Ukraine.
I could see the Muslim point, but I don’t know how much a terrorist attack in Russia could sway wider western opinion.
When you consider both of these together, it looks a lot less likely that the west could be directly behind this one. Beyond that, Russia has been hugely active in combatting ISIS throughout the 2010s. So it makes sense for ISIS to target them specifically.
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u/jmore098 Mar 24 '24
Pressurize & threaten Russia to tone it down with Ukraine
That's a Hamas strategy. Randomly killing dozen/hundreds of citizens to get the other side to tone it down.
What a brain dead strategy. Sigh, some people don't learn.
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
Nothing. Many seem to be unaware that IS considers Russia their main foe, because of Russia’s support of Assad in Syria and attacks on IS, and because Russia has been fighting IS in African countries, which people are even less aware of.
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u/Gumballgtr Mar 24 '24
Mossad and the cia have nothing to gain for this as if they did it and was traced back to them would give Russia a motive to fully mobilize and do more in Ukraine while republicans hold out on the aid
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u/Equivalent_Age_5599 Mar 24 '24
ISIS claimed responsibility. Russia propped up assad; which makes them target number 2 after Assad.
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You talking about the same people we've trying trying to eradicate for like a decade now?
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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24
No, it’s not. That’s ludicrous. Just because Hamas condemned the attacks, just as the US did, does not mean IS is American. IS hates Russia because they supported Assad and attacked IS in Syria, and have been fighting IS in African countries. America/Israel bad does not mean that other nations and groups are not bad. That’s a very American centric way of viewing the world.
If you are looking for underhanded scheming, try the fact that Russia was warned and did nothing to warn Russians so they could try to pin it on Ukraine and also get sympathy for being attacked.
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u/Kilanove Mar 24 '24
ISIS apologized to Israel for a miss-fire, and they exclusively attacks Arabs and Muslims in the middle east.
And if you read the investigation of the terrorists attack in Russia, the person who done it was a mercenary from Turkey, recruited by unknown people thru telegram
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Mar 24 '24
It makes sense since Russia and China are trying to get a real Ceasefire signed between Israel and Palestine. The previous Ceasefire had wording that would allow Israel to continue what they are doing currently.
Hamas sees Russia as a potential ally basically
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u/dank_tre Mar 23 '24
How is no one quoting Vicki Nuland’s parting cackle about the “nasty surprises” Ukraine had for Russia?
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u/Maixell Mar 24 '24
Yeah, meanwhile, all other news sources are saying ISIS did it. This is some bullshit that doesn't even make any sense. Russia and ISIS are not allies
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u/Distinct_Election_18 Mar 24 '24
Ever heard of Chechnya?
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u/FiveFootSevenn Mar 23 '24
The Israelis were a little too obvious when they fled the scene screaming "ISIS WUZ HERE!!!"
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u/Jsmooth123456 Mar 23 '24
This sub is shameful calling out hams as hypocrites after they've killed hundreds of innocents is what gets you down voted here
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u/Rand_University81 Mar 23 '24
What’s with this sub? Do people not see the irony here? Hamas literally just did the same thing a few months ago, even worse actually.
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u/Throwaway_Firewall Mar 23 '24
the idf has been doing far worse for the past few months
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u/Rand_University81 Mar 23 '24
So that excuses the atrocities Hamas has committed?
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u/Kilanove Mar 24 '24
Nah, Israel is literally on the same side of the terrorists attack, because Russia Vito against Israel interests
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u/Kilanove Mar 28 '24
Yeah sure /s, ISIS exclusively attacks Arabs and Muslims.
And apparently they are cool with Israel
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u/BeeLady57 Mar 23 '24
Look it's funny that 'terrorist group' did this attack on Mall, after rejecting the U .S proposal for a limited ceasefire on West Bank and Gaza . Ukraine and Zionist Israel have many connections. I know that Putin has got his team investigating this connection. Putin has become a savior of the Arab people for example he was the lifeline for Assad.Putin
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u/Tricky-Courage-489 Mar 23 '24
Ah yes, savior of the Arab people as he leveled cities and slaughtered civilians in the Syrian civil war, all so he could keep his little naval base. You trolls must think we’re all stupid.
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Mar 23 '24
No one is savior of Arabs but themselves, it's just alliances. The Arab world only solution is understanding that they need to unite together because they only have themselves. But proxies supported by the US and it's allies will never allow such a thing.
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u/Lutra_Lovegood Mar 23 '24
It's as you say, delicious friend. There is strength in unity, but that goes against the powers that be.
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u/urimerhav Mar 24 '24
Lol. Hamas denounced indiscriminate killing of civilians. Now I’ve heard everything
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u/Equal-Experience-710 Mar 24 '24
I can’t believe I just read that. Who gives a fuck what hamas thinks?
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Mar 23 '24
A terrorist organization condemning another terrorist organization... Ahahahahahha Fuck that’s rich.
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u/dramagold Mar 23 '24
Resistance fighters* Nelson mandela was seen as a terrorist MLK was seen as plight to society
You set your own title, ill set mine.
Hamas are freedom fighters, israel are the terrorists.
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u/dramagold Mar 24 '24
Im not sure, lets ask israel? For example
Or maybe you can stick your head out of your ass and realize that the only reason Palestinians are at war with this genocidal, apartheid NUCLEAR power of a failed democracy is because of the COUNTLESS OF MASSACRES that israel has done in palestine proper who have all been denied by the IDF and the government.
Or sure, we can stick with your idea that no matter what, palestinians will always be the villains, because its hard to understand that yea, the people you support, they are NOT the good ones.
Best of luck to your intellectual journey to becoming more aware and a proper human being. Much love.
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