r/InternationalNews • u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa • Mar 23 '24

International Hamas denounces Moscow terror attack

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/03/23/316342/
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u/WebBorn2622 Mar 23 '24

ISIS

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

I thought we “wiped them out” because it’s totally possible to wipe out a terrorist organization.   

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u/Glittering_Oil_5950 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

ISIS is still in control of Iraq and Syria? Didn’t know. Don’t talk about things you know nothing about. I guess it’s also impossible to get rid of Israel by that logic.

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u/BBOoff Mar 24 '24

Insurgencies are like boulders: you can smash them with a hammer (military force) so that they no longer block a space and prevent you from using it.

However, after you smash the boulder, you are still left with a large amount of gravel and rock dust. If you want the boulder to be completely gone, you need to use first a shovel (policing), then a broom (social services, political enfranchisement), and finally a mop (raising the standard of living). This is a long, slow process (especially since an insurgency is a living thing, so it is constantly trying to heal itself T-1000 style).

You can eliminate an insurgency, but it is a long, slow process that requires the proper tools used in the proper sequence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Give them time. Their attacks are escalating and they have spread to many countries

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u/alejandrocab98 Mar 28 '24

So we should have done nothing and kept letting them burn people alive in cages carte blanche across 2 countries? Glad you’re rooting for them smooth brain

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

That is not what i said nor was it the point of the comment. Try again

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24

Why? Is it because the Ideology is so widespread and worsened by military efforts to confront them when orchestrated at a state level? Counterpoint: Nazi Germany.

The difference is Religion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

... are you unaware of the fact that Nazi ideology didn't die out and exists all over the place, including right-wing domestic terror groups?

Destroying a state is like excising a tumor. It doesn't rid one of cancer.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24

Are you suggesting axis defeat in WWII served no benefit to the world?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

No, it simply defeated a state, not an ideology. Religion isn't the only source of ideology.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Yes and defeating the state that gave rise, protection and power to that ideology was of great benefit to the world. The same will be true of Palestine

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I don't see how Palestine will be able to wipe out Zionist ideology without substantial international support, but I hope you're right about that.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Iran = $billions funding to Hamas.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Zionist ideology? Like the idea that Jews might have primary political power in an established state? Pretty Israel is a pluralistic democracy where anyone can enter public office regardless of religion, and every citizen has equal rights regardless of religious affiliation, and where the diversity of religious, cultural and ethnic background is far greater than any of the Muslim majority theocracies with which it shares land borders. Take Palestine for example, 99.9% Muslim, the law enforces state execution for apostasy from Islam. Death for being gay. Stoning for being a woman who exercises equal liberties as men. Where support for the genocide of Jews is at about 96% and pretty much always has been. Where two state solutions are universally rejected because the widespread religious extremism across Palestine and most Muslim majority countries dictates that the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Levant is a direct offence to Allah and Islam, violent antisemitism is baked into the Quran and Hadith. #religionofpeace

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

It's weird how you think Israel is a Western democracy while it still engages in apartheid and only survives because millions of Palestinians are disenfranchised.

If Israel were actually a pluralistic democracy without apartheid, Jewish Israelis would be a minority. So no, I do not think that Jews "deserve" an ethnostate in any respect.

The Palestinians had a right to refuse Jewish immigration to their lands at the outset, and they also had a right to refuse the initials 2-state proposals that would see them disenfranchised of their land without reparation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

And Hamas and ISIS are mortal enemies.

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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24

Why conflate Hamas and IS? Not the same, not connected. Palestinian Islamic Jihad works with Hamas, at times, but not IS.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/antiauthoritarian123 Mar 24 '24

Islamic state of Sinai, is not ISIS

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u/Bannedfromred93 Mar 24 '24

4 months ago:

"Russia will pay the price for supporting Israel's enemies." - Amir Weitmann, Head of Israel's liberitarian caucus in Israel's ruling party

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u/QuantumTopology Mar 25 '24

Also Victoria Nuland a few weeks ago - "we've got some nice surprises coming for Russia"

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u/HyGrlCnUSyBlingBling Mar 23 '24

Well, that was unexpected...

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u/_Richter_Belmont_ Mar 23 '24

According to articles they've been trying to perpetrates an attack in Moscow for at least the last month.

Im so confused honestly. Firstly, didn't they basically get defeated to the point of only having a few small pockets of control in Syria? Secondly, why Moscow of all places??

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u/ComradeKenten Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

Because they are being funned by the US. If you notice resent ISIS attacks have been against us enemies. That also suppor Israel in the Palestine conflict which no principaled Muslim would do. They are just a US puppet at this point.

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u/cech_ Mar 23 '24

This is the dumbest take. Why would U.S. warn them then? They even shared the U.S. intelligence with Russian officials on top of the public announcement.

Whats even the benefit to the U.S. or Ukraine for that matter? It galvanizes Russians and doesn't hurt their combat effectiveness at all. All the Ukrainian attacks on Russian soil have been on military targets for the last 3 years. Thats a proven track record.

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u/FizzixMan Mar 23 '24

What are you on about, the US PUBLICLY warned Russia of these attacks DAYS before they happened.

Putin even responded to the US warnings of the Moscow terror attack by mocking them as Western intelligence trying to stir up trouble.

Get your America first mind out of Global politics.

Russia has been killing many ISIS members in Syria for years (and terror groups elsewhere) and this is their response.

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u/UnderstandingTop7916 Mar 23 '24

They gave a cryptic warning to insulate themselves from accusations as they know people like you would go to bat for them.

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u/FizzixMan Mar 24 '24

What are you on about, Russia is literally invading Europe as we speak, and the west had the courtesy to warn them not once but TWICE, of an impending attack, two weeks and then three days before it occurred.

After Putin didn’t believe the tip off was credible, the US simply told it’s own citizens to avoid large public gatherings in Moscow.

Shock surprise, the attack happens and ISIS have released body cam footage of it happening which you can go watch if you’re sick enough to want to.

The West has absolutely no obligation to share intelligence with a nation that is actively invading Europe and wants our downfall, but we provided some anyway.

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u/UnderstandingTop7916 Mar 24 '24

It’s the west that wants Russia’s downfall, not the other way around. If the west didn’t mess with Ukraine, none of this would have happened, stop projecting. I’m saying the west provided very cryptic warnings to insulate themselves from blame, it didn’t work. Either Ukraine went rogue or the west was in on it.

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u/captaindoctorpurple Mar 23 '24

You forgot the /s

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/ComradeKenten Mar 23 '24

But it does. It makes Putin look weak and exasperates already exists tensions in Russia between Muslim and non Muslims. Plus it will force Putin to respond. How will he do this? Well mby attack ISIS. This benefits the US because it will bring Russia directly into the Levant again. It will bring Russian troops into the region the US wants to start a war in.

The presents of Russian troops will give the US more justification to bring more soldiers to the middle east. This will make tensions worse which will make it more likely a regional war will be start.

The US and Israel want a regional war to divert attention away from what Israel is doing in Gaza and it will make it easier to make Israel look like the victim and make the US look like to hero defending the little guy. Which they hope will save some of the destroyed international reputation.

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u/blackpharaoh69 Mar 23 '24

And this was after Russia was supposed to have arrested a group of them.

Supposedly it's isis K, the Afghan franchise, that is said to be responsible for this.

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u/FizzixMan Mar 23 '24

This is actually ISIS-K not ISIS, it’s an offshoot that does not focus primarily on the caliphate.

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u/Rownever Mar 23 '24

The thing to keep in mind about ISIS is it’s multiple groups working together- the main group of ISIS in Syria is pretty much dead, with almost all of their territory taken back by either the coalition against them or a Syrian faction. Their allied groups in other regions are still around, and still using the same branding and tactics, just with different places and populations.

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u/_Richter_Belmont_ Mar 23 '24

Interesting, I never realized that. Scary man.

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u/OutsideFlat1579 Mar 23 '24

Russia is enemy number one for IS, Russia supported Assad against IS and has been fighting IS in multiple African nations for years. We just don’t hear much about it because it does involve the US.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

I mean, the Allies defeated the Nazis too. Doesn’t mean them and their ideology aren’t still a problem today. 

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u/Jewrachnid Mar 23 '24

They probably attacked because of Russias hand in Syria.

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u/HulkSmashHulkRegret Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

It goes back to Trump’s ordered US withdrawal from Syria in 2019; it was very abrupt and poorly executed, including the apparently unintended release of hundreds of ISIS prisoners! These prisoners also included captured Afghan remnants from Al Quada who joined ISIS and after Guantanamo Bay fell out of favor. The withdrawal was so hastily done, the US military was preoccupied with evacuating themselves before US air strikes obliterated their own bases (to prevent them from falling into enemy hands), so the ISIS prisoners fell through the cracks as some handoff of the Prisoners that was supposed to happen didn’t happen...

The overall military handoff was to Turkey, so these ISIS fighters did have to focus on their own survival for a while, but they’ve had time to regroup and rebuild, and now we’re seeing the predictable outcome.

That’s the “why now”, but as for why Russia, they’re spread so very thin in terms of domestic security, given the human and materiel resources they’ve been pouring into Ukraine the past few years; of all of ISIS’s enemies, Russia is the easiest target at this point

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u/elijahpijah123 Mar 23 '24

Cool story. ISIS is an enemy of everyone else you mentioned. Be quiet and spread your lies elsewhere.

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u/Sahyooni Mar 23 '24

Russia supports Hamas far more than ISIS, which considers Hamas to be sacrilegious nationalists.

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u/Anarcho-Heathen Mar 23 '24

This is not yet ‘known’, it’s been proposed.

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u/TopolMICBM Mar 23 '24

Or so the propaganda says.

In reality it was Ukraine

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u/HDCL757 Mar 23 '24

Found the Ruski