r/InternationalNews • u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa • Mar 23 '24

International Hamas denounces Moscow terror attack

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/03/23/316342/
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u/HyGrlCnUSyBlingBling Mar 23 '24

Is it known who the attackers were?

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u/WebBorn2622 Mar 23 '24

ISIS

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

I thought we “wiped them out” because it’s totally possible to wipe out a terrorist organization.   

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u/Glittering_Oil_5950 Mar 23 '24 edited Mar 23 '24

ISIS is still in control of Iraq and Syria? Didn’t know. Don’t talk about things you know nothing about. I guess it’s also impossible to get rid of Israel by that logic.

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u/BBOoff Mar 24 '24

Insurgencies are like boulders: you can smash them with a hammer (military force) so that they no longer block a space and prevent you from using it.

However, after you smash the boulder, you are still left with a large amount of gravel and rock dust. If you want the boulder to be completely gone, you need to use first a shovel (policing), then a broom (social services, political enfranchisement), and finally a mop (raising the standard of living). This is a long, slow process (especially since an insurgency is a living thing, so it is constantly trying to heal itself T-1000 style).

You can eliminate an insurgency, but it is a long, slow process that requires the proper tools used in the proper sequence.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Give them time. Their attacks are escalating and they have spread to many countries

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u/alejandrocab98 Mar 28 '24

So we should have done nothing and kept letting them burn people alive in cages carte blanche across 2 countries? Glad you’re rooting for them smooth brain

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

That is not what i said nor was it the point of the comment. Try again

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24

Why? Is it because the Ideology is so widespread and worsened by military efforts to confront them when orchestrated at a state level? Counterpoint: Nazi Germany.

The difference is Religion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

... are you unaware of the fact that Nazi ideology didn't die out and exists all over the place, including right-wing domestic terror groups?

Destroying a state is like excising a tumor. It doesn't rid one of cancer.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 23 '24

Are you suggesting axis defeat in WWII served no benefit to the world?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

No, it simply defeated a state, not an ideology. Religion isn't the only source of ideology.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Yes and defeating the state that gave rise, protection and power to that ideology was of great benefit to the world. The same will be true of Palestine

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I don't see how Palestine will be able to wipe out Zionist ideology without substantial international support, but I hope you're right about that.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Iran = $billions funding to Hamas.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Zionist ideology? Like the idea that Jews might have primary political power in an established state? Pretty Israel is a pluralistic democracy where anyone can enter public office regardless of religion, and every citizen has equal rights regardless of religious affiliation, and where the diversity of religious, cultural and ethnic background is far greater than any of the Muslim majority theocracies with which it shares land borders. Take Palestine for example, 99.9% Muslim, the law enforces state execution for apostasy from Islam. Death for being gay. Stoning for being a woman who exercises equal liberties as men. Where support for the genocide of Jews is at about 96% and pretty much always has been. Where two state solutions are universally rejected because the widespread religious extremism across Palestine and most Muslim majority countries dictates that the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Levant is a direct offence to Allah and Islam, violent antisemitism is baked into the Quran and Hadith. #religionofpeace

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

It's weird how you think Israel is a Western democracy while it still engages in apartheid and only survives because millions of Palestinians are disenfranchised.

If Israel were actually a pluralistic democracy without apartheid, Jewish Israelis would be a minority. So no, I do not think that Jews "deserve" an ethnostate in any respect.

The Palestinians had a right to refuse Jewish immigration to their lands at the outset, and they also had a right to refuse the initials 2-state proposals that would see them disenfranchised of their land without reparation.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

You can’t disenfranchise a people brainwashed by a violent repressive Bronze Age death cult.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Only 20% of Israeli Jews are of European origin.

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