r/InternationalNews • u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa • Mar 23 '24

International Hamas denounces Moscow terror attack

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/03/23/316342/
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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '24

No, it simply defeated a state, not an ideology. Religion isn't the only source of ideology.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Yes and defeating the state that gave rise, protection and power to that ideology was of great benefit to the world. The same will be true of Palestine

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I don't see how Palestine will be able to wipe out Zionist ideology without substantial international support, but I hope you're right about that.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Zionist ideology? Like the idea that Jews might have primary political power in an established state? Pretty Israel is a pluralistic democracy where anyone can enter public office regardless of religion, and every citizen has equal rights regardless of religious affiliation, and where the diversity of religious, cultural and ethnic background is far greater than any of the Muslim majority theocracies with which it shares land borders. Take Palestine for example, 99.9% Muslim, the law enforces state execution for apostasy from Islam. Death for being gay. Stoning for being a woman who exercises equal liberties as men. Where support for the genocide of Jews is at about 96% and pretty much always has been. Where two state solutions are universally rejected because the widespread religious extremism across Palestine and most Muslim majority countries dictates that the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Levant is a direct offence to Allah and Islam, violent antisemitism is baked into the Quran and Hadith. #religionofpeace

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

It's weird how you think Israel is a Western democracy while it still engages in apartheid and only survives because millions of Palestinians are disenfranchised.

If Israel were actually a pluralistic democracy without apartheid, Jewish Israelis would be a minority. So no, I do not think that Jews "deserve" an ethnostate in any respect.

The Palestinians had a right to refuse Jewish immigration to their lands at the outset, and they also had a right to refuse the initials 2-state proposals that would see them disenfranchised of their land without reparation.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

You can’t disenfranchise a people brainwashed by a violent repressive Bronze Age death cult.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

So Jews can't be disenfranchised? Then why is there a need for a Jewish ethnostate?

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

Better questions: why is the least ethnostate of the Levant the singular focus of your criticism of ethnostates? Is there a single Muslim majority country on Earth whose theocratic government and justice system is more accepting of religious minority citizens than Israel?

What makes modern day Israel an ethnostate, 20% of Israeli citizens are Muslim with equal rights as every other religious group in Israel.

Why is state level execution the legal consequence for leaving Islam if you are a citizen of Gaza? Why are 99.9% of Gazans Muslim? You want to talk about ethnostates? Take a look at Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. All countries where Islamic sharia law is, or is desired to be the law of the land, where almost all Muslim citizens believe that sharia law should apply to non-Muslims, where women are legally forced to wear bags over their faces in public, where gang rape victims are routinely executed by the state for extra-marital sex, where homosexuals are thrown off rooftops to their deaths, Jews are burned alive with their children, raped and mutilated in the streets before hoards of cheering civilians, where civilians widely endorse suicide bombing non-Muslims as a sacrament, where martyrdom in the name of killing non-Muslims is widely viewed as a higher order spiritual responsibility, honoring the religion’s central prophet, a violent tyrant who spread the religion through violent conquest of non-Muslim lands.

Tell me about this ethnostate of Israel where non-Jews can hold public office, where Sinwar, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, was given life saving surgery.

Ask yourself why it would be a ridiculous absurdity for Jews to attack Palestine by suicide bombing, but the reverse is a predictable norm of any Muslim majority country, especially Gaza.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

It's the only one presently committing a genocide, my guy.

The rest of your comment is absolutely pointless since you clearly don't understand that.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

Genocide. Tell me how long would it take the US to kill 30,000 civilians in a country smaller than Winnipeg but with a packed in population larger that Lithuania, if said country attacked them Oct 7th style, killing nearly as many people as died on 9/11. There are 2-3 million people in the Gaza Strip. Tell me again how 30,000 over six months counts as “indiscriminate bombing”

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

The civilian death toll on 10/7 is substantially lower than that of 9/11, given that at least a third of deaths were IDF. The civilian death toll in Gaza is at least 30,000, which is 10x the amount of 9/11. It doesn't compare.

The fact that you're in outright genocide denial at this stage is honestly quite telling that you're immune to facts and evidence.

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u/alejandrocab98 Mar 28 '24

I think he meant compared to 9/11 in proportion of people killed to total population, which is actually a much more impactful event since Israel is a smaller country. The civilians death toll in Gaza isn’t 30,000, those are estimates for the total death toll, and also provided by Hamas themselves so pretty iffy. Those deaths were brought forth due to war, not a genocidal attack, at a civilian casualty typical of other conflicts (50-90% usual) especially taking into account urban combat and Hamas violating the rules of war at the expense of the population they govern. Honestly quite dumb to call it genocide, haven’t read further than the headlines about any other war but this one because, you know, jews.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Only 20% of Israeli Jews are of European origin.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Where did I make any claim as to their origin?

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

When you ignored the fact that Palestinians disenfranchised themselves, both Palestinians and Jews lived in the region for hundreds of years up to British occupation. Palestinians follow a religion that does not allow for the existence of a Non-Muslim power in the Levant holy lands, this is why they’ve rejected every offer for statehood recognition that included Israel existing too. Palestinians disenfranchised themselves

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

That isn't disenfranchising themselves. They were disenfranchised by Israel as Palestinians who left the region before the various wars in the 20th century were not allowed to return.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

Site your sources. Fully expecting the famous 3-panel map that mixes population distribution maps with political maps over decades and deliberately pretends they’re the same thing. Do you enjoy being blatantly lied to a tricked by a far right evil regime that exploits liberal progressive values to brainwash liberal progressives? It’s pretty sad to see. I thought we were better at thinking critically.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Well, you clearly aren't since all you're spouting is absolute nonsense about people "disenfranchising themselves" and absolving Israel of any blame in the matter.

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