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[u/PearMaleficent7333]

My Husband’s shoes were stolen from the local Masjid today at Friday prayer. I tried to console him that the person may have accidentally taken his shoes, but my Mom told me it’s commonplace in Pakistan to have shoes stolen during prayer. My Husband ended up walking home barefoot, in the rain and cold.

I’m wondering why the Masjid’s in Pakistan haven’t thought of a solution to the shoe theft problem if it’s commonplace there?

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for your Islamic lecture.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

People wear to the masjid, what they were wearing to work, or what they were wearing for a business meeting.

We could also look at how what you said as victim shaming.

It’s the same way people question women’s clothing and choices rather than look at the perpetrator.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

This Hadith makes sense, when talking about general responsibilities. But unfortunately you have to take your shoes off for prayer, and instead on helping this discussion, you are bringing a quote from Hadith that would make sense, if we didn’t have to take our shoes off for prayer.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

The responsibilities here is supposed to be on the Mosques, from my perspective. If Mosques are being run on donation, then we need to start asking why, in a Muslim country, Mosques are struggling? We need to look deeper and start asking these questions, because that’s the only way we can begin to make change. Telling people to be “more responsible” won’t change the reality of the Mosques. In fact, it will only encourage more thefts. Why is a Muslim country struggling to run Mosques? This should have been something people should have started to ask from my post. Instead my post got people making personal attacks and pinning the blame on the victim. SubhanAllah.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/PearMaleficent7333]

I’m not sure why you keep commenting. I have made it very clear what I was talking about and why. Please stop commenting.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

There are cameras in well to do Mosques.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

And if you steal, from a building, like universities, which are public here, there will be consequences.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

Quran doesn’t mention that victims “should learn their lesson” from theft. In fact, the punishment for theft is pretty straightforward.

[u/ProWest665 → u/PearMaleficent7333]

Now you have switched back to the subject of theft, when I was addressing your point about womens dress in UQran. Does Quran command women to dress modestly? If ye, does that mean what desi-liberals say about anyone who tells women to dress modestly applies to Allah as well?

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/ProWest665]

No, I’m not “switching back to theft” because that’s what my post was about! However, I was responding back to you, which I think you are not used to, when you started talking about the Hadith, which does not apply here.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/ProWest665]

I brought that point up, because victim-shamers often talk about how a woman was dressed, rather than look at the crime. Theft is a crime, like rape is a crime. Looking at the victim and shaming the victim, which Quran does not do, is counterproductive and even anti-Islamic.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/ProWest665]

I was talking about the CRIME of rape, just like I was talking about the CRIME of theft. Instead of looking at the CRIME, which according to Pakistani’s is a problem- you are looking at the individual, just as victim-shamers look at the VICTIM of rape, instead of looking at the CRIME.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/ProWest665]

YOU are the one talking about women’s dressing, just like you were talking about individual choices, instead of looking at the CRIME, which is the issue here, not my Husband’s expensive shoes, or a woman’s clothing.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

Oh my Allah. You still don’t get it, do you?

I brought up a CRIME, which people tend to victim-shame, which is something you are also doing regarding a theft.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/ProWest665]

This post is not about women’s dressing. It’s about CRIME, theft to be precise. Take your women’s dressing to another post!

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

I talked about victim shaming which takes place when a theft occurred or when a rape occurs. In both instances, it is counter productive. Please reread what you should have gathered from this discussion. Theft is a problem, so it needs to be looked at and prevented.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/PearMaleficent7333]

Whether I “revealed” my position to you or not is not the discussion here. The discussion is about victim shaming after a crime. In both crimes, individual choices is looked at by people like you who victim shame. I do not wish to talk about clothing, and what the Quran and Hadith says about clothing because I’m talking about what people do when crimes like this are committed. You do not know how to respect boundaries. I asked you several times to leave me alone, but you have revealed yourself, and who you are, by continuously ignoring what I write to pursue the topic of women’s clothing. You are a victim shamer and you have no respect for boundaries.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

I brought it up to give you an example of victim-shaming, which you are doing. I didn’t bring it up to talk about women’s dressing.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

You keep wanting to talk about the Quran and women’s dressing, which is NOT why I brought the example up.

[u/PearMaleficent7333 → u/[deleted]]

Then stop commenting. I already asked you to do that. And you did not respect my boundaries and kept going.