15-20% is expected for good service and in some hotels and. restaurants an 18% automatic gratuity is added. Itās awful. I donāt know how it got this bad. But our tipping culture is out of hand like our fun culture.
But, as an American I know itās part of the deal. Our servers make minimum wage and live on tips. For that reason I happily pay it because thatās what I would tip ordinarily. You learn to build the tip into whatever service youāre getting when youāre estimating expense. If I get a service at a salon, for instance, Iām tipping my masssge therapist $40.
I know people, on the dole making more than working families that are being subsidised by government funding, others working on Minimum wage and many other earning just above or below the poverty line here in New Zealand, where everything is getting expensive as fuck, No tipping culture, in fact it's practically looked down upon, and youth crime hikes as well as gang violence slowly spreading due to extra violent aspect of the 501 deportee problems spreading here.
Anyway, if your saying you have people over there working for minimum wage and Live on tips, we here in New Zealand are living on fucking hopes and dreams that always seem to get more and more backwards, heck the exchange rate of NZD TO USD back in February was like 1USD=0.86-0.94c NZD on PayPal at least, and now??? Holy shit, it's like 1USD=0.50-0.58c in less than 8 months, what the fuck happened?
Not only that, with the price of shit just not going down and instead getting higher and higher, wages value dropping at least a third of what it was a year ago, robbery or selling drugs actually seems like the only viable way to live and this is in the Biggest city with the largest market for work, let alone the rest of the country.
Aussies are actively trying to educate all Americans who visit their sunburnt country to refrain from tipping. Rounding up is fine, but forget that 20% bullshit.
If just there was some sort of action employees could take where they group together and refuse to work until they get fair wagesā¦ like a collection of people
I mean they are already getting fkd over as employees by their companies and why not fk each other while at it too ? Bet you there are plenty of "tips" they can be giving each other .
Servers are gambling addicts. Every tip is a roll of the dice. "Maybe the next one will be a billionaire who tips $1,000,000". They don't want higher pay. They want tips, even if that means they starve.
The average tipped earner would earn more with a living wage than they earn with tips, but they will vote against a pay increase, to guarantee they get to keep tips.
Iāve worked in the restaurant industry as a server/bartender for the majority of my life and I donāt find that to be true at all. In fact , I donāt think Iāve ever heard a employee making 2.13/hour say that theyād rather not have a reasonable wage.
Where did you work? I was in the south, and I saw it at many places. I didn't work restaurants in NYC, but the feel I got while I lived there was different.
Aye, they need to be paid a proper wage. It shouldn't be the public's responsibility to pay the staff. And I'm sure the food isn't any cheaper. Of course, when I visited America, I tipped because I knew about the BS pay. Some Europeans don't know about that.
I worked as a waitress in college and we rarely got tips, didn't expect them either. It wasn't a high paying job, but it was above the minimum wage at the time, so the same as people in retail. People often just told us to keep the change if they were paying with notes, so that would go in the jar.
Now, wait staff here in Ireland are starting to think they are entitled to a 20% tip. They get paid a salary. Why should they be tipped compared to people who work in retail or any other job where people are on their feet all day.
People in countries where wait staff are paid need to stop fucking tipping 20%. If you tip that, you're an idiot since the service charge is already included in the price of the meal. And the American government needs to force employers to pay wait staff. Calculate the wait staff's wages into the price of meals and be done with it.
Theyāre taxed if theyāre cash also. Every place Iāve worked you have to claim at least 10% on cash tips ..which typically is less than what you actually made ā¦but not always
Don't blame Republicans. This is such an ignorant statement.
Look at all the blue cities and all the blue states. Also look at the set of those that have supermajority control of the legislature in their respective jurisdictions.
Do please list the percentage of those places that have eradicated tipping and increased all employees to at least the same minimum wage so there is no longer a separate "wait staff minimum".
I'll wait....
It's not a Dem v GOP thing, clearly or every single Democrat controlled jurisdiction would've ended it already.
That this is still happening in 2024 is disgusting. Our minimum wage is now about 22$ an hour and people everywhere deserve to be paid a living wage at minimum
It's a nice step for sure. I was surprised it actually got raised since AZ still has a Republican majority in the state legislature. I haven't been a server in a long time but I remember how hard you have to work and still tip accordingly.
If I didnāt have to care for my granddaughter full time I would work at one of the casino restaurants here in Oklahoma instead of my crappy small town . They all pay at least 5$/hr plus tips . My daughter was making 9$. But Iām stuck working part time at ihop because I have very limited availability. I do pretty well but itās frustrating sometimes.
Look for a better job, get a union, do things instead of complain on SoMe.. if they can't get workers they'll have to raise the pay.. at this point it's cheaper not to work..
I wonder if its preferred that way by many working in the industry? Sure, It sucks making under minimum wage, but when you're making 6 figures+ and you're only reporting 1/5 of your actual (with tip) earnings in April, it adds up quite a bit. Guess depends where you work, but as a former Bartender for a nice cocktail lounge in NYC, I actually preferred the low pay + high tips, but I guess that only benefits those working in heavy tourism/high COL areas while everyone else gets screwed. What do ya'll still in the industry think? Are you more apt to be paid a higher hourly in low volume?
Employers cannot retaliate against employees for asserting their wage and hour rights by law, so report them to the department of labor if this happens to you. (Not that it ever has)
They donāt say thatās why youāre out of a job. Itāll be ācustomer complaintsā or āitās just not working outā. In right to work states they donāt have to give a reason.
In my state thats only for commision based jobs server pay is server pay we even have an acting pay amount of 4.50 an hour like for haunted houses and what not and they arent required in any way to match minimum pay bassicaly if you aign the contract stating you accept it its legal for them to do
The average Aussie hospitality worker earns significantly more than their US counterparts per hour. Tipping is unnecessary here, but it keeps a lot of US workers just above poverty.
It's actual bullshit here. Where I live, the minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.33/hour which means that being able to make rent depends on getting tips. The whole system is garbage. The National Restaurant Association has lobbied to keep the wages at that rate since 1991 -- 33 years at the same rate. They say that it's because if workers made a living wage that restaurant prices would be too high... like we don't add 20% (now being pressured to add 25%) to the bill already What's even worse is that they get the money to lobby so aggressively from the proceeds from mandatory food safety classes (ServSafe) that all restaurant workers are supposed to get. So we are literally paying for our own wage suppression.
And our useless politicians are such sacks of worthless skin. They gladly take the bribes... er... lobbying cashmoney and perqs and represent big money instead of the people who vote their sorry asses in.
Well people need to learn that here, I get looks from people when I DONT tip for a PICK UP ORDER. Like, at that point, wtf are you even tipping for? You're doing all of the work except for cooking the food š
Exactly, I see it as a "prize" for extra work that I wasn't expecting in the first place.
Last time I tiped was in a restaurant that let us order even though they were about to close the kitchen (they were open for 3 more hours, but only as a bar).
Then, in addition to the food being great, a server even noticed I was worried about getting sauce in my white pants and was like "don't worry, I got you" and brought me a thick napkin to put on my lap, without me even asking.
I still only put maybe 3ā¬ in the tip jar on our way out, which would be a 5-10% tip. I don't think I've ever tipped more than 10ā¬ in my entire life (and that was a special ocasion in a fancy restaurant).
I would probably pay if I ever went to the US, though, I don't agree but I'm not gonna be the one compromising a server's livelihood if I don't even live there
The complacent cocaine children of capitalism from the 1910's-1970's who "never got into politics that much".
Just kidding here is the root of unfair wages:
"Alexander notes that āafter the Civil War, white business owners, still eager to find ways to steal Black labor, created the idea that tips would replace wages.ā While tipping originated in Europe as a way for aristocrats to show favor to servants as bonuses, restaurant owners in the United States mutated the idea into a way to limit pay for Black workers by defining tips as the only source of income. The Pullman Company tried to get away with this to underpay train porters who were predominantly Black, but the porters formed a union and eventually got higher pay. Restaurant workers, mostly women and disproportionately Black, were not able to unionize. In fact, Alexander explains, when the Roosevelt administration signed the first minimum wage law in 1938, it excluded restaurant workers. It was not until 1966 that a subminimum wage was formally created for tipped workers, locking the tipped workforce, which is 70 percent female and disproportionately Black and brown women, into a subminimum wage, currently $2.13 per hour. Alexander points out that the subminimum wage ācontinues to perpetuate both race and gender inequity today,ā which has been made even worse by the pandemic."
Furthermore, due to the Fair Labor Standards Act, employers must pay a differential based on the federal minimum wage, currently $7.25, if the employee makes below that in tips+their wage to ensure they at least get paid the federal minimum wage (which is the state min wage in some states still i.e. Indiana.)
Though, a lot of servers make more money than the minimum wage due to tipping, which is why many prefer it. But this pushes the cost onto the consumer, which is driving people to spend money at restaurants less often. At fancy places this makes sense, but at places like Chili's it really is a toss up some days if you'll get paid enough to survive off of a consistent depending on your shifts which feels a little inhumane. I'd prefer more people have income security than some kid making 100k at a fine dining establishment, personally, because who wants to cure cancer when you can live lavishly as a server at the right place?
In 2013 I was on a layover in Dallas-Fort Worth airport so went to grab a bite. Knowing I was going back to Canada and not wanting have US money floating around in my wallet, I tipped the waitress (who was awesome) $10 on a $12 meal.
She hugged me, almost in tears. I found out later she was paid under $2.50/hour and Iād given her four hours wages in one tip.
When I got home, I found a $5 tucked away and wished Iād have found it for her. I think of her often and hope sheās OK.
The cruelty behind these wage policies is astounding. Everyone deserves a living wage.
unfortunately the wait staff is reliant on those tips, they make less than 3 dollars an hour otherwise. tipping is a necessity when you're eating in a restaurant unfortunately. if you can't tip, you can't afford to eat out. tipping for haircuts or delivery I feel isn't a necessity, those people are making a higher wage yet still seem to think they deserve a tip, and sometimes they may but it shouldn't be expected.
I read this as close the door to prevent Americans coming to Australia and importing their tipping BS.
We have a living wage here. As soon as some people start throwing 25% onto the actual full cost of everything - including staff wages - then more businesses and staff begin to normalise and expect it.
How? If you tip a waiter after they've done their job, all wrapped up and finished, how do you benefit? It's not like they're going to remember you the next time you come in. They see hundreds of faces a day.
I've no idea if you're a waiter, but that's the example.
Do t worry, here in the US we are doing it right. We are getting basked to leave tips when we use self serve kiosks and pay our fucking rent. Everyone expects a tip these days here. Pretty sure within the next few years the god damn emergen services will be expecting tips.
I went bowling a few months ago and the guy literally just rang me up and got me shoes. When I paid at the end, it had a section for tip and the lowest suggested was 18%. F that! I'm not tipping you for handing me a pair of shoes. It's so out of control here
Right? I've had it pop up on the square readers you have to use at conventions, like no I already paid you $10 for the stupid 3d printed axolotl that cost you 12Ā¢ to print, I am not tipping you an extra 20%.
Just wait a little longer for the supreme court's decision that 'gratuites' after the fact are not bribes, and then EVERYONE can start putting their hands out!
Idk, I used to be a loader for orders for contractors and after hauling 20+ 80lbs of cement mix into trucks for one customer it always made it feel a little better when theyād slip you a 20 or something. I was paid well so itās not like we ever expected tips, but just sayin. It shouldnāt be compulsory it should be something reserved for when someone has done above and beyond work imho
Why would you want to tip someone who is their own boss? They set prices already to factor in their costs of doing business and the profit they seek. You say you want to but why? Because thatās what everyone does?
Because they did a damn good job and provided excellent service during my appointment?
You might a well ask why people tip anyone.
You say you want to but why?
Because I want to. Because I think the employee who helped or served me had earned it through their work. I don't give a shit if other people tip or not. If I think someone deserves it, I'm tipping them. End of.
It's a gratuity, not an obligation. If the service was poor, you get nothing. It's not my job to pay employee wages. My tip is supposed to be a bonus on top of the regular wages.
Dude, you literally sit there or lay back while they do their job. What excellent service is involved? Do they hold your hand while you cry? A happy ending?
You've clearly never had a bad or new artist. I don't think you've even set foot inside a parlor.
I had a tattoo artist do exactly the design I gave, with no input, no artistic suggestions, just slap it on, needle up, "pay me." He got a small tip, since it is still something I cannot do myself, and the service was provided professionally, if not exceptionally.
My most recent artist talked design and placement with me, listened to what I wanted, and tattooed the design in stages so I could get a look and feel for it and I ultimately took one of his suggestions and couldn't be happier for it. The dude put incredible work in and over 2 years removed it still has incredibly fine detail with no need for touch-up. He got a good tip. I will go out of my way to book with him again, and I can practicality guarantee he'll get another great tip from me.
The fucking worker pays the workers wages while the big wigs sit around with their dicks in their hands raking in amounts money that can only be acquired from being an absolute scumbag, sounds like bullshit to me
Hell, I am American, and I refuse to tip anymore on many things. I was a tip able employee for years. I know what it's like and think this shit needs to go. Now. End tipping.
You, sir, are absolutely correct. It is completely fucking stupid that employers can pay less than a living wage and guilt customers into paying the remaining balance. Born and raised in Alaska, its different here but not that much.
Why would I tip at places that make me place my own order in the first place? Like at Crumblā¦ would you like to place a tip for our bakers? But thatās their effing job.
I've heard it called gratuities - sorry what mate? I have to show gratitude for you saying G'day and bringing me my fucken chicken parmi? Here's an extra 15 bucks!? Your jokin
If the minimum wage were increased you would have no reason tip out of necessity, but if service was exceptional you would tip because that's what a tip is supposed to be, an extra amount paid out of gratitude for exceptional service - modern society should evolve from 'to insure prompt service'. You can make a killing on tips, but it's not a killing if your base rate of pay is abismal...
Almost every American would agree with that except executives at large restaurant franchises. But just please know if you come here and eat out and donāt tip you arenāt hurting the restaurant owner or the politicians making these dumb laws youāre only hurting the server whoās working hard probably just to get by. And American servers do work hard and deal with a lot of bs that is also a result of tipping culture.
Understand these people make $3 an hour without tips. I know thatās not your problem but it is thereās and theyāre human. If you donāt want to tip I totally get it. But then please donāt eat out when you visit here. Youāre taking a table from a server that they could have made tips off of that they rely on to pay their bills.
Itās been a while since I worked in the restaurant industry but this is what I got from the us department of labor:
āA tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage.ā
As an American I agree. On the stupid part. Yāall are still welcome to visit if you want. Iād just suggest sticking to takeout because thankfully tipping somebody who just rang up your food hasnāt sunk in as a practice yet. Not that they arenāt trying to push the concept on us though as more and more e-payment screens are starting to have a tip prompt where you either have to specifically have to press āno tipā or ācustom 0ā before you can finish the transaction. I just make a game out of it though and make āboopā noises with each button I press.Ā
Having said all that thereās a perfectly terrible reason for why tipping after a sit down meal is basically expected in this country and until thereās a nationwide push to make employers pay their servers closer to a living wage, weāre kinda stuck with it as the only person that gets hurt by not tipping is the server.Ā
Couldnāt agree more though that tipping should die as a practice as Iād much rather pay more for my meal than having to worry about whether my generosity makes up the difference in the wait staff getting a decent paycheck.Ā
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u/Doofchook Aug 28 '24
Close the border to Aussies too, tipping for everything is fucken stupid.