Aussies are actively trying to educate all Americans who visit their sunburnt country to refrain from tipping. Rounding up is fine, but forget that 20% bullshit.
If just there was some sort of action employees could take where they group together and refuse to work until they get fair wages⌠like a collection of people
I mean they are already getting fkd over as employees by their companies and why not fk each other while at it too ? Bet you there are plenty of "tips" they can be giving each other .
Servers are gambling addicts. Every tip is a roll of the dice. "Maybe the next one will be a billionaire who tips $1,000,000". They don't want higher pay. They want tips, even if that means they starve.
The average tipped earner would earn more with a living wage than they earn with tips, but they will vote against a pay increase, to guarantee they get to keep tips.
Iâve worked in the restaurant industry as a server/bartender for the majority of my life and I donât find that to be true at all. In fact , I donât think Iâve ever heard a employee making 2.13/hour say that theyâd rather not have a reasonable wage.
Where did you work? I was in the south, and I saw it at many places. I didn't work restaurants in NYC, but the feel I got while I lived there was different.
It's a false argument saying that servers should make $15/hr. If it were $25 - $30 per hour, which is roughly the same as tipping 20% at a mid-range restaurant + $2.33 per hour, it would even the playing field.
Right now, if you're young and hot, you'll make more money than someone who is old and not-so-hot, regardless of skill. If you work at a more expensive restaurant, you'll make more money than at a diner. Same work, same everything -- why the pay differential? Why not pay workers a living wage where you arent' subject to the prejudices of customers and the price point of the food?
Aye, they need to be paid a proper wage. It shouldn't be the public's responsibility to pay the staff. And I'm sure the food isn't any cheaper. Of course, when I visited America, I tipped because I knew about the BS pay. Some Europeans don't know about that.
I worked as a waitress in college and we rarely got tips, didn't expect them either. It wasn't a high paying job, but it was above the minimum wage at the time, so the same as people in retail. People often just told us to keep the change if they were paying with notes, so that would go in the jar.
Now, wait staff here in Ireland are starting to think they are entitled to a 20% tip. They get paid a salary. Why should they be tipped compared to people who work in retail or any other job where people are on their feet all day.
People in countries where wait staff are paid need to stop fucking tipping 20%. If you tip that, you're an idiot since the service charge is already included in the price of the meal. And the American government needs to force employers to pay wait staff. Calculate the wait staff's wages into the price of meals and be done with it.
Theyâre taxed if theyâre cash also. Every place Iâve worked you have to claim at least 10% on cash tips ..which typically is less than what you actually made âŚbut not always
Don't blame Republicans. This is such an ignorant statement.
Look at all the blue cities and all the blue states. Also look at the set of those that have supermajority control of the legislature in their respective jurisdictions.
Do please list the percentage of those places that have eradicated tipping and increased all employees to at least the same minimum wage so there is no longer a separate "wait staff minimum".
I'll wait....
It's not a Dem v GOP thing, clearly or every single Democrat controlled jurisdiction would've ended it already.
That this is still happening in 2024 is disgusting. Our minimum wage is now about 22$ an hour and people everywhere deserve to be paid a living wage at minimum
Lmao. Waitstaff donât want to work for wages. They make $23 per hour in Seattle and bitch and moan when somebody tips under 20%. They make more money in tips they want hour wage low.
It's a nice step for sure. I was surprised it actually got raised since AZ still has a Republican majority in the state legislature. I haven't been a server in a long time but I remember how hard you have to work and still tip accordingly.
If I didnât have to care for my granddaughter full time I would work at one of the casino restaurants here in Oklahoma instead of my crappy small town . They all pay at least 5$/hr plus tips . My daughter was making 9$. But Iâm stuck working part time at ihop because I have very limited availability. I do pretty well but itâs frustrating sometimes.
Look for a better job, get a union, do things instead of complain on SoMe.. if they can't get workers they'll have to raise the pay.. at this point it's cheaper not to work..
Even worse i thought serve wage was like about 7.50 but still tge point holds theur protesting iver tipping is right but making it the servers problem is wrong
No, but tipping was always meant to be based on service and not guaranteed. That's why it's called a tip. To consider it a requirement is just wrong and it was never intended for that.
Because one thing can force the wage to go up, the other would at best freeze them or at the plausible lower even more the wages paid by the employers because "you are paid with tips, so I don't need to" the one being fucked in the end being the customers, who when they eat out, take a 100$ order and end to pay 140-150$ because of the mandatory tip.
Also living wage don't mean tips are forbidden, just they can be put together and shared between all the employees (maybe the idea of sharing is too communist for the US, like Healthcare)
The socially accepted thing should be paying your employees not forcing your customer to pay more than indicated to pay them.
Agreed but stiffing the broke ass server doesnt do anything hell if your that way about it leave a tip and dont pay the bill that would make more sense its not even an employee issue its purely an employer thing and nit tipping doesnt effect the employer at all
If you eat at a restaurant that pays a tipped minimum wage (under 7$/hr) you are participating in that system voluntarily. You should tip the appropriate amount based on service .
If you donât agree with the system , donât eat in full service restaurants
I wonder if its preferred that way by many working in the industry? Sure, It sucks making under minimum wage, but when you're making 6 figures+ and you're only reporting 1/5 of your actual (with tip) earnings in April, it adds up quite a bit. Guess depends where you work, but as a former Bartender for a nice cocktail lounge in NYC, I actually preferred the low pay + high tips, but I guess that only benefits those working in heavy tourism/high COL areas while everyone else gets screwed. What do ya'll still in the industry think? Are you more apt to be paid a higher hourly in low volume?
Employers cannot retaliate against employees for asserting their wage and hour rights by law, so report them to the department of labor if this happens to you. (Not that it ever has)
They donât say thatâs why youâre out of a job. Itâll be âcustomer complaintsâ or âitâs just not working outâ. In right to work states they donât have to give a reason.
In my state thats only for commision based jobs server pay is server pay we even have an acting pay amount of 4.50 an hour like for haunted houses and what not and they arent required in any way to match minimum pay bassicaly if you aign the contract stating you accept it its legal for them to do
The average Aussie hospitality worker earns significantly more than their US counterparts per hour. Tipping is unnecessary here, but it keeps a lot of US workers just above poverty.
It's actual bullshit here. Where I live, the minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.33/hour which means that being able to make rent depends on getting tips. The whole system is garbage. The National Restaurant Association has lobbied to keep the wages at that rate since 1991 -- 33 years at the same rate. They say that it's because if workers made a living wage that restaurant prices would be too high... like we don't add 20% (now being pressured to add 25%) to the bill already What's even worse is that they get the money to lobby so aggressively from the proceeds from mandatory food safety classes (ServSafe) that all restaurant workers are supposed to get. So we are literally paying for our own wage suppression.
And our useless politicians are such sacks of worthless skin. They gladly take the bribes... er... lobbying cashmoney and perqs and represent big money instead of the people who vote their sorry asses in.
They say itâs related to the so-called tipped wage, but now states and cities have eliminated that and servers making $20/hour still expect 20% minimum tips. It hasnât changed the expectations or the behavior of tippers at all.
You need countrywide change or nobody knows what to expect, and fix your damn tax system. This is $10 + whatever state tax we thought we'd like to take... Come on, that is messed up. Join the rest of the planet, use metric, add tax to the sales cost and pay a living wage everywhere in the country... Oh and don't elect orange people to office.
Iâm not sure Iâd include VAT in the basket of things like the imperial system and berserk tipping culture that need to be normalized. There are pros and cons to different tax systems. I think it just annoys Europeans that the price on the item is not the price you pay, but taxing everything at every stage of production ends up being a lot more taxes, and is ultimately regressive, falling hardest on people who can afford it the least.
Yeah it pretty much depends on what state youâre in. Kinda sad that you have to look up the stateâs minimum wage laws to have an idea of what theyâre getting paid, but I think only about 1/3 of them still go by the âchump changeâ rule now though. Still wouldnât call what they make in my state a living wage, but itâs already one of the highest  minimum wages in the country, and their tips donât affect their base wage in the slightest. That being said tipping automatically is still expected, but thereâs a lot less pressure that if you donât they wonât be able to eat that night, and if the service is shit it takes away the guilt of not tipping at all.Â
You know what though? It was never on you to feel pressured about whether their wage was enough to live on, if you donât do that for every dishwasher and prep chef and janitor at the restaurant, which of course you donât. Even the âchump changeâ wage is the full minimum wage, they are just basing it on the fact they get tips, and if it doesnât add up to the federal and state minimum the business is required to make up the difference. Itâs all always been bs.
Servers in Germany get âŹ15 per hour which is like $16.5 dollars per hour, hardly a living wage.
Europeans hate tipping because they look down on servers as lower caste, a mindset held over from the days of feudalism and an innate class hatred towards the working class.
They don't want to make eye contact with their servers much less tip them with gratitude.
Ah, I've heard this one before. I'm going to take a guess here, you went on vacation to a country where people are mindful to not invade the personal space of strangers because that's considerd A Rude Thing To Do in general, and you interpreted this as being about looking down on servers when everyone involved were just acting politely according to the standards of their culture?
Wrong I have worked in fine dining for years and have experienced entitled Europeans tables and their disdain for "servants". People from countries with a feudalistic history have a ugly classism which they direct towards servers with barely suppressed derision. You see this also with people from India which is also a country with a feudalistic history and Ridgid social class hierarchy.
The worst customers to wait on are Europeans (especially the Germans and the French) and indians. They expect multiple courses five star service with wine service but just don't tip.
To me tipping is a reflection of your character and your innate generosity. There is a reason Europeans hate tipping. It's blatant class hatred.
That's just it, though - to YOU, tipping represents generosity. To a European, depending on their country, tipping can be insulting. It's a hand-out, charity, like giving money to beggars on the street who needs help to make a living. You don't just hand money to people who are capable of working for it themselves, that's something many people considers insulting, implying they're incapable of having a job and supporting themselves.
Sure, when in Rome and all that. If you're in an American workplace, then they should tip you. But the lack of tipping does NOT mean they're stuck in some feudal mindset and looking down on you, it's just them treating you like a capable, able-bodied adult who doesn't need a handout from strangers to make a living.
No it's the exploitation of the worker class by entitled former feudalists who hate working people and lack any generosity or basic human empathy. Just like the manor lords did to the serfs
It's the personification of Marie Antoinette's "let them eat cake" mindset, which your own words tried to legitimize as a cultural practice.
"A hand out to the lesser poors"
Shameful.
I read in some old book it is better to give than receive, but you do you.
Here's a fun fact for you: Marie Antoinette never said 'let them eat cake'. That's just a myth.
And you need to travel more. Several people have explained to you why Europeans don't tip but you're just judgementally stuck in your thinking. I think I read something in an old book about a splinter in the eye, but you do you.
The quote might not be factual but the mindset is alive and well and personified by European non tippers. If tipping culture isn't prevalent in your quaint little countries that's fine, but when you travel you should adhere to local customs. "When in Rome". Don't travel to another country, exploit the working class and then offer up the lame excuse of some archaic elitist cultural practice.
Slavery and genocide are historical European cultural practices also.
That is the whole insidious aspect of tipping culture and perpetuating a underclass. It uses your decency against you. Itâs like Catholic guilt, it can fuck right off.
Well said. It puts the burden of trying to ensure the person is getting adequately compensated on those with a conscious instead of the employer. What a gross concept.
Only if you ignore all the well-paid professions that are also customarily tipped, whch everyone on reddit does. It's a really weird, arbitrary norm; the practice is not in any way limited to people making minimum or less than minimum wage.
Thatâs sad, no offence. Not cause you feel that way, but because why. Decades of conditioning from the American restaurant industry makes you feel bad for not paying towards someoneâs living, when in reality that was never supposed to be your job in the first place. You want to tip cause you were happy with your experience, thatâs great. Having to tip cause the person serving you might need it to help live is ridiculous.
This is actually insane to me. In non-tipping cultures, the customer DOES contribute to the servers wages... by buying the product, just like I help pay for the employees salary every time I buy anything at any other type of store.
If the employer doesn't pay the employee, why work for them? Are the customers just tipping to enable the server to help the employer make money for free? Whatttttt?
Culture? Really? Itâs a toxic disgrace that is capitalistic amorality writ-large. Iâve seen more culture in a fortnight old pot of yoghurt. CultureâŚaye right then!
I wouldnât really say itâs part of our culture. Itâs a custom we made commonplace in response to the Federal government saying âEmployers are legally allowed to pay their employees dirt if theyâre tipped.â
So while I suppose us taking it upon ourselves to pick up the tab out of the kindness of our hearts could be considered a âculturalâ thing, itâs a practice that was kind of foisted on us by our own minimum wage laws.Â
We should be pissed that tipping after every meal is pretty much an unspoken expectation here too, and not tipping in the short term only hurts the people serving you your food, but in the long term all it does is help perpetuate our broken system that created it.Â
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u/Doofchook Aug 28 '24
Close the border to Aussies too, tipping for everything is fucken stupid.