r/behindthebastards • u/jpotion88 • 1d ago
Considering this guy was not traditionally left leaning…
From his online footprint it seems like Luigi did not meet the mold many would have expected of a left wing revolutionary. Also considering I have been seeing a lot of “the right looks for allies, the left looks for rats”, I created a new group r/ClassConscious . It’s supposed to be a thread where we can share ideas/memes with people of different political beliefs to continue to solidify the idea of class consciousness in the minds of people who might just be waking up to it. Once people realize that one kind of oppression is wrong, they might realize that other types are wrong too (or at least that’s the idea). I can’t think of a better page to ask for help than the BtB audience. Being around here a while it seems like most people take a rational approach to the problems we face. I am not a content creator or very witty, or all that good at knowing what will grab people’s attention. So I ask you all to help me, with posting and bringing attention to the staggering wealth gap that has developed in our societies. It’s not something that matters just to the left… between Luigi and the elons bullshit, I think this has a fighting chance.
Please post anything you think will appeal to those not normally thinking about r/ClassConscious (ness) in the same way.
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u/SmokeBluntsSuckDick 1d ago
In the end. Regardless of the books he read or wanted to read, and what podcasts he listened to, the man chose class war over culture war.
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u/kumara_republic 1d ago
From Wikipedia article on Luigi Mangione:
The Spectator wrote that his worldview "wasn’t pinned to a standard left-right axis." Jacobin stated that he held "a hodgepodge of views and political beliefs that don’t neatly map onto any one category on the political spectrum".
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
Most people are a hodgepodge of views I believe. I kinda chuckle every time I hear people on the right say that the left wants to ban all guns. He saw an issue that is crippling the US, but that the people don’t really have much say in changing by democratic means. Not before we are all dead at least
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u/Unable_Option_1237 1d ago
Yup. Most people don't have a coherent political philosophy. Most have views that are mutually exclusive, but they don't know that.
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u/HelpfulNotUnhelpful 1d ago
Yep. You scoot back far enough, you can start to find common ground problems.
Example:
Left doesn’t want Christianity taught in public schools. Right doesn’t want LGBT normalized in schools. Everyone: doesn’t want schools indoctrinating their kids.
If we can agree on the big picture concern, we MAY be able to have a conversation. (Assuming good faith discussion is possible)
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u/31November 1d ago edited 1d ago
Even here, you equated forcing a religion on somebody with normalizing that some people are born LGBTQ+. These aren’t at all equivalent, and it’s not indoctrination to normalize that some people aren’t the same and that’s okay.
Edit: this commenter explained their position a bit better and it makes sense! See? We can have civilized conversations on Reddit :)
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u/kumara_republic 1d ago
Yep, people can't choose their sexual orientation or ethnicity, but they can choose which religion to pray to. Not buying the false equivalence.
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u/HelpfulNotUnhelpful 1d ago
Of course. I’m trying to point out the value of going back to a root concern (people in authority teaching my kid something I’m not comfortable with).
It’s ok and good to be concerned/aware/engaged in what your child is taught. We can agree on that. How we decide to extrapolate that can be very wrong.
I personally fight for LGBT inclusion in our school curriculum. And interact with people that disagree with me. I tend to start discussions with common ground so I can explain that we both love our kids. We both want them to feel both accepted and challenged in school. And from there I can share that I once had a teacher who happened to be Mormon, and they were sharing the story of Joseph smith with me, and my Presbyterian mom lost her shit.
Didn’t intend to sound like I thought both arguments were valid. They aren’t.
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u/Analyzer9 1d ago
Discussing common ground gets the liberals and conservatives to all worship the dollar. The only left I see at work in America is online.
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u/31November 1d ago
I see what you were going for, even if I disagree with how you phrased it. Thank you for clarifying! Have a nice day
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u/westgazer 23h ago
Okay but where does “teaching my kid something I am not comfortable with” end? Like, parent not comfortable with science, so kids don’t get to learn it? Parent not comfortable with evolution so kids have to learn YEC? Nah. Kids need to learn to accept others who are different and if parents are only going to raise a hateful bigot they gotta learn to be better somewhere.
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u/knitmeriffic 1d ago
This is a shit take. Queer kids having the opportunity to be safe at school isn’t indoctrination. It’s a human right.
Grifters demanding the opportunity to manipulate children into believing in some imaginary friend is the opposite of education.
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
Except that not treating LGBTQ+ folks like they’re subhuman isn’t “indoctrination”. It’s just not being a shitbag.
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u/thatwhileifound 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's funny - your example is the exact one I'd use in my argument towards the futility and wrongness of this.
What I mean is that, like, you boil them down to the same thing and I disagree entirely. One side doesn't want education that is fundamentally flavored and interwoven with religious beliefs. That is, you can teach about them where it is relevant and doing so is important! You can even teach about their beliefs, but you can't do it from a position that presupposes they're right or the only way and you can't just do it for one religion.
The other side wants to erase a large swath of people from existence. They want to hide queer people in history in ways that allows them to continue to maintain horseshit historic narratives and believe similarly horseshit historic norms that allow them to continue to justify their whole thing. They want to out kids who are figuring themselves out and make their lives hell because these fucks don't genuinely care about kids or humanity. They want to ensure queer kids have no resources or foundations to understand, process, or develop the differences they're gonna likely notice at some point.
Yes, not every individual espousing beliefs on that side are fully awakened and aware of the nature of their politics, but in my expedience - a fuck ton more of those people are functionally all the way in than most straight folks I talk to seem to understand.
All of that said, while I really don't believe we can talk our way out of this or meme our way or whatever because this problem is fundamentally systemic and a lot less about what individuals believe... If there's people you love who are falling down this way, I do encourage you to engage with them because having a close person do that is one of those things that can sometimes break the lock on their empathy enough to get them raising their hand out of the water for help.
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u/Striper_Cape 1d ago
The problem is that they have now equated teaching reality, real history and real science, with indoctrinating their kids. They are mad that their children are being taught that feeling and being different is okay. That climate change is real. That the US is a racist place and that's bad so we should change that. The Nationalist, Rich, "Christian" assholes have successfully captured a lot of media. The Liberal Media has been substantially weakened with Trump's victory and people don't usually look past the surface level. I have zero doubts people just heard Trump say "I'll fix everything" and they were sold. Anti-intellectualism looks like it won, for now.
I don't know how you fix that until something or everything goes wrong. I'm afraid it'll be too late by that point.
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u/greaper007 12h ago
That's not really the same thing. Teaching Christianity in schools (with the exception of a cultural/historical context) is like teaching about flat earth theory.
Gay people on the other hand, actually appear to exist. I can call trans people on the telephone. Try doing that with Jesus.
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u/HelpfulNotUnhelpful 11h ago
Oof. This comment of mine really took a dive. Never ever would I imply these are the same thing. Like, it’s such a given to me, as I am a recovered evangelical with a gay daughter. I personally want all religious teaching out of schools, and think kids should be exposed to all the types of families and sexual orientations.
What I was (poorly) trying to get across is that if we dig back deep enough, we can often find common motivation with people we disagree with. Once we find that common motivation, we can start moving forward.
People come to shitty and horrible conclusions all the time, even with decent reasonable motivations. We’re animals in process of evolution. We’re going to do bad dumb shit. But we also have capacity to learn and grow. We can self reflect and challenge ourselves to align our beliefs and actions with our true core tenants.
So if we can find common ground, like, “we both agree parents should be aware of what their kids are learning in school”, we can then have dialogue about how to implement that in reality.
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u/CivilRuin4111 13h ago
So… basically just like anyone else.
I have some positions traditionally aligned with the right (even far right) and others with the left and extreme left.
I think that’s just normal.
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u/wombatgeneral Ben Shapiro Enthusiast 1d ago
Insurance CEOs unites the left and right in hating them, the same way Ted Cruz unites the senate in hating him.
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u/DellSalami 1d ago
The political compass is a meme, but I do think it’s better to evaluate political ideology along two axes instead of just a line: Where you stand on the culture war, and where you stand on the class war. Even if they’re mostly related, it’s not a strict correlation. You don’t need to have progressive views on feminist or gay rights in order to want to depose the ruling class.
A lot of conservatives have class consciousness in them too, but it’s misdirected at the immigrants and the shadowy cabal globalist elites, instead of the very real capitalists who are right there. People are afraid of communists and socialists, though, so the conversations need to take a different approach.
I saw one comment on instagram that had me thinking: “This isn’t capitalism’s fault. Capitalism is fine. This is Cronyism.” Of course, that is natural endgame of unfettered capitalism, but I feel like cronyism is a really good word to criticize society without the linguistic baggage of capitalism and communism attached.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
We saw this a lot in the early 1900s. People pitted against each other instead of the robber barons. But a lot of the people who started showing cultural acceptance did it through the common struggle against capital
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u/kumara_republic 1d ago
One of these robber barons, Jay Gould, is said to have notoriously remarked, "I can hire half the working class to kill the other half."
It took the ruinousness of 2 World Wars and a Great Depression to pull the OG robber barons down a few pegs, and hopefully with today's techbro robber barons it won't take something similarly ruinous to rein them in.
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u/kratorade Knife Missle Technician 1d ago
Donald Trump is tweeting about annexing Canada and Greenland so I wouldn't count out a ruinous global conflict just yet.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
lol not sure… but that seems to make it seem more likely to me.
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u/kumara_republic 22h ago
AFAIK this is the 1st time since at least WW1 that a US President has proposed invading/annexing allied territories Iraq-style. This doesn't count the CIA's covert regime change efforts like Iran in 1953 or Chile in 1973.
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u/p____p 1d ago
Where you stand on the culture war, and where you stand on the class war. Even if they’re mostly related, it’s not a strict correlation.
The culture war is mainly an invention to distract us from the class war.
The elites don’t really give a fuck about gay, trans, race, etc, outside of subjugating the masses, getting their nut off and hoarding their gold.
In their ideal world, the planet gets a few degrees hotter but they believe they’ll be safeguarded in their bunkers from climate change and the water wars.
The world population will be decimated and a new world will arise in which they’ll be gods over the few that survive to do their bidding. That’s The American Dream™️
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
People really don’t get how little they care about culture wars. IT DOES NOT MATTER when you have the combined wealth of several million people. The only thing that matters is maintaining your power
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u/LemurCat04 1d ago
I wouldn’t call it class consciousness so much as class amnesia because they apparently didn’t learn shit on 2008, when a good bit of the country found out they weren’t temporarily embarrassed millionaires but just broke-asses with a ton of credit card debt.
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u/Techialo 1d ago
Yeah, cronysim is just a coping mechanism to not blame it on capitalism in a weird kind of denial.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
Yeah that’s true. It does describe it well. Being how I am, I think naturally what I say will throw some peoples back up. I’m trying to find better ways to talk about the issue without bringing that baggage
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u/bta47 1d ago
In the words of Max Read, who I think had the best take about Luigi’s political beliefs (as much as they matter):
I’ve seen some people suggest that Mangione’s politics must be “insane” or “incoherent” or “irrational,” and that may be true in some abstract sense, but I think the cultural and ideological portrait painted by his Twitter account is actually a fairly common and intelligible one, and would be pretty familiar not just to anyone who spends a lot of time on Twitter but to anyone who works in tech or frequents a gym weight room. It’s a loudly non-partisan, self-consciously “rational” mish-mash of declinist conservativism, bro-science and bro-history, simultaneous techno-optimism and techno-pessimism, and self-improvement stoicism—not left-wing, but not (yet) reactionary, either. The basic line is something like: The world is getting worse and phones are killing us; politics won’t save us but technology might; in the meantime, lift weights, take supplements, listen to podcasts.
https://open.substack.com/pub/maxread/p/what-type-of-guy-is-the-alleged-uhc?r=37pqa7&utm_medium=ios
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u/GnarlyNarwhalNoms 1d ago
This is a great idea. Synpathy for mangione/antipathy towards health insurance CEOs crosses the political spectrum right now.
It's the first time I've seen this kind of class consciousness, even among people who've never heard the phrase. Let's try to encourage this. We might just be able to pill some red-staters who've been told their whole lives that "elites" are simply people on the Blue Team and not uber-rich sociopaths who are too wealthy to give a shit about party.
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u/Objective_Water_1583 1d ago
Of course if Luigi was actually a Marxist he would be posting on Twitter complaining about society
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u/jayforwork21 20h ago
Unfortunately a lot of right wing people will change a perspective to a more left/progressive view when it directly affects them. You see it when some parents have LGBT children if they don't outright disown them, ect.
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u/UnlimitedCalculus 1d ago
Great photograph, for many reasons that have nothing to do with politics, but the snapshot.
Also the inseparable politics. Still a great still.
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u/Salomemcee 12h ago edited 12h ago
Just a reminder that any leaders who successfully get the working class to put their differences aside instantly become official targets of the FBI. (see Fred Hampton)
ETA: I tried multiple times and I really can't phrase this sentiment without it sounding like a threat. lol.
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u/Hawkeye1226 1d ago
I've always held the idea that if you identify as left or right or any specific group politically, you're wrong about a lot of things and just trying to be on a team. There's no point in saying "I'm mostly left" or "fiscally conservative, socially liberal". The fuck do you need labels for? Are you pro or anti abortion? Do you think people should be able to own semi auto firearms or no? Talk about the fuckin issue at hand and go from there. when voting, vote for the person who prioritizes what you prioritize or comes the closest to it. This isn't college football, you don't need to pick a team. I think picking teams has been entirely harmful to the process
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u/Oppropro 17h ago
My younger brother loves Trump (weird because we're Canadian). And we all bonded over Luigi being a hero and it doesn't matter what his family background was. It was a Christmas miracle.
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u/Antlermonger 9h ago
Luigi isn’t the person who shot , even the photos don’t match. He might still be indirectly involved idk.
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u/LowerEast7401 1d ago
I am a right wing populist and lately I been fighting alongside progressives against cuckservatives and corporate democrats, what a weird time. I never believed i'll call some of you bros, but here we are
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
lol like I’ve said, we can bitch about culture wars among ourselves once the real issues are dealt with. Although i have a feeling many of those disagreements might fade away if people had jobs that could buy them a house or afford healthcare. Politicians left/right are all incentivized to allow as much money as possible into politics. 3 guesses who that benefits
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u/_013517 20h ago
Why do you consider yourself a right wing populist?
Which "some of us" are your bros here? Genuinely curious.
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u/your_not_stubborn 19h ago
By "fighting" he means shitposting so don't take him seriously.
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u/_013517 18h ago
I also took a look at his posting history and I'm not incredibly impressed by his political compass memes.
But I genuinely am curious how a right wing populist thinks he is somehow fighting with us.
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u/your_not_stubborn 18h ago
People have really weird notions of what politics is, sometimes it includes doing everything except voting and organizing, so don't expect a coherent answer from him is what I'm trying to say.
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u/LowerEast7401 16h ago
Yeah you are right.
I run a rehab center and I am involved with an organization that is committed to ending prison rape. This organization is made up conservative evangelicals and progressives.
But whatever, this is why I dislike reaching out the aisle to white progressives on Reddit lmao
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u/LowerEast7401 15h ago
I run a rehab center and I get a lot of assistance from irl progressives. That is what I meant from progressive bros.
I am also involved in an organizing that is committed to ending prison rape. This organization is made up of conservative evangelicals and progressives. That is also what I meant by progressive bros. We actually have been fighting to end the private prison industry in my state
But whatever. This is why progressives don’t get shit done. I seen you guys put your own through hell, make them pass purity tests and then bash them when they don’t pass. Now you gout some guy attacking me and going thought my post history for my shitposting lmao.
As a Latino this is why I dislike white progressives coming into our communities trying to help. For this exact reason lmao
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u/jpotion88 12h ago
Yeah the infighting a purity shit is a problem. One that I don’t think will stop (see above). But as a conservative I’d ask you to please reach out to others that might see some of the same issues as important. My point wasn’t to make another leftist board, but considering how I am I am sure that will come across. I’m hoping to find other posters equally upset about wealth inequality and open to the idea that the richest people in our society do not really deserve to live off the toil of the common folk
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u/bigmattson 1d ago
Class warfare isn’t necessarily about left/right politics. There are plenty of “upper-middle class” conservatives who’ve been taken to the cleaners by our corrupt system
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u/Advanced3DPrinting 1d ago
My brother voted for Trump 3 times and is a fan of Luigi, my other brother has a mutual friend with him and is more left leaning and is less of fan even I can make a list of 10 similarities between them
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u/JustThirstyTrash Bagel Tosser 18h ago
Just joined. I have a bunch of anti-capitalist memes, is that what you’re looking for? Or more substantive content that can actually accomplish something?
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u/jpotion88 16h ago
Both. But I’m trying to make this inclusive, so more content that can reach a broader base and not just like “socialism good”. I’m trying to highlight the ways mega corporations extract from everyone, and that many of the culture wars are manufactured outrage. It’s going to be difficult cause I’m on the left, and that will obviously leak out in whatever I post, but I’m reaching out to other folks to try and bring in different viewpoints
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u/Old_Acanthaceae5198 1d ago
It's kinda terrifying that this guy is such a mystery to reddit. I'm constantly in here screaming to high heavens that calling everyone who believes in "right to life" or "financial conservatives" Nazis. I think we push many people to the right with this us vs them. And we toss out angry hurtful names that don't apply that just further have them double down.
And no both sides aren't the same but every ounce of nuance about people and their lives are dumped for just a label.
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u/Atiggerx33 18h ago
If they voted for Trump because they believe in right to life or financial conservatism then they weren't paying attention to the words coming out of his mouth.
He's been loudly and clearly expressing his fascist ideology. If that's something they support then by definition they are fascists. You can't vote for someone blatantly fascist and then say "but no, I'm actually a fiscal conservative!".
They are no different than the people who voted for Hitler. And, last I checked, we don't call those folks "financial conservatives".
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u/jpotion88 16h ago
But you’ve seen how Fox News like downplays the fascist rhetoric to their viewers. I think a lot of people have not had this stuff highlighted to them. I was on a hunting trip with my buddy, and he literally believed that Jan 6 was just a bunch of crazy upset people. He had not listened to the evidence from the hearings or knew anything about the fake electors plot.
A lot of people just are not as politically involved. I don’t think I can do anything to make a hardcore trumper change their minds on him. But we may still have common goals when it comes to healthcare, regulating social media companies etc
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u/Atiggerx33 12h ago edited 11h ago
Do you think the Nazis didn't downplay certain fascist elements of their agenda if they thought the audience wouldn't approve? Hitler never directly ordered the Holocaust specifically so he could have plausible deniability if/when the German people found out and got upset.
Many of the people who voted for Hitler likely didn't know he intended to do a WWII or a Holocaust. Hell most Germans didn't want a WWII (they were fine with the annexing and easy victories, but thought Hitler should have stopped his shit before it escalated to a full on world war), that still doesn't make them any less responsible or guilty for his rise to power. Despite the potential misinformation, we still call people who voted for Hitler 'Nazis'.
You're saying "he's not fascist, he just voluntarily watches a news station that advocates for the genocide of brown people, putting LGBTQ+ people in camps, and taking away women's bodily autonomy!". Even if Trump didn't exist, J6 never happened, etc. that is still fascist as fuck. How does that make them any better than the German voters who subscribed to Der Stürmer (Nazi-run newspaper)? According to your logic those Germans weren't fascist; they just voluntarily subscribed to a newspaper that advocated for the genocide of Jews, putting LGBTQ+ people in camps, etc. and then voted for Hitler.
The thing is, if you aren't racist/sexist/anti-LGBTQ+ and you accidentally switch to Fox (and somehow had no foreknowledge of what Fox was) you'll turn that shit off real quick, horrified with the message. Same way if you weren't antisemitic and came across a copy of Der Stürmer you'd throw it in a fire, horrified with the message. You have to already be receptive to the message they're spreading or you're gonna instinctively react with revulsion.
The people getting sucked in by Fox already thought that way, they just didn't feel emboldened to express it until a mainstream 'news' platform gave them permission. I have as much empathy for them as they have for me, none (I am a bisexual woman in an interracial relationship).
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u/jpotion88 11h ago
Yes many people voted for Hitler because they thought it was in their self interest, and didn’t think a whole lot about the consequences. They didn’t put much thought into what would happen if he did exactly what he always said he would. But I think you are taking a different lesson from this than I had. I don’t think those people are all inherently evil. Everyone is a product of their upbringing and usually driven by (what they think is in their) self interest.
Also in Germany we see one of the best examples of people coming to grips with the choices they made and the shame of it. Their actual legislative steps to insure they are never responsible for another holocaust.
Some people consider how their actions affect everyone around them naturally, some have to be convinced in a non condescending way through discourse or violence, and some have to be shamed and beaten so they can’t express their true beliefs, because they will not change. But I do not believe that most people fit in that last category.
Many of the people you’re are talking about who are anti LGBTQ or anti immigrant have rarely if ever interacted with those groups, and when they do, they treat them like anyone else. People can and do change especially when they learn that what they’ve heard about a group has been lies. Their environment is the main factor in that, and calling them all evil idiots does not help change their minds.
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u/DongleJockey 18h ago
Progressives get nowhere because eventually they start bickering about who has it worse and infighting about privilege. Every. Damn. Time.
Enjoy your sub while it lasts
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u/oakfield01 1d ago
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this case is about the staggering wealth gap. Luigi Mangione came from a wealthy family in Baltimore who owns multiple country clubs. Prior to becoming an executive, Brian Thompson came from a middle class background and was a CPA.
Don't get me wrong, the wealth gap is an issue, I just don't see this story as a good way to convey that. Sure, talk about how the health insurance industry sucks with this story, but where does the wealth gap come in? Admittedly health insurance may deny care in part to make profit, but that's more classic capitalism than wealth gap.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
But classic capitalism=wealth gap. The further along we go, the worse it gets. The reason for the connection is that while perusing the fine conservatives and Ben Shapiro boards, I saw people on the right wing espousing very left wing views for pretty much the first time ever… without even knowing it
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u/Sans_culottez 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think a better response in general was given by Zhou Enlai:
Zhou Enlai claimed to be a feudal class traitor in an exchange between him and Khrushchev:
Nikita Khrushchev: “I am the son of coal miners, you are the descendant of feudal mandarins. We have nothing in common.” Zhou Enlai: “Perhaps we do, we are both traitors to our class.”
As opposed to worrying about Luigi’s specific upbringing.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
I’m not focused on his upbringing. I don’t care about being a class traitor. Although that line by zhou is based. My point is that this event has brought light on a small portion of what is a much bigger problem. A lot of people reading what you just said would think “wtf is he talking about”. But the murder of a ceo who lives off the money that comes out of their paychecks and still denies claims, reached many of them in its own way. Some of them are so ready to turn their anger against the people who actually shape the system
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u/Sans_culottez 1d ago
Fair enough, I was mainly thinking about the pearl clutching liberal or those that were hoping for some leftist orthodoxy from him. Oh he listened to lex Friedman and bought into the Silicon Valley techno-Utopianism, and came from an upper class background? I don’t care, he did a working class action. Kropotkin was a prince, and was also a class traitor. I welcome more from the upper echelons.
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u/oakfield01 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah, you are definitely trying too hard if you think capitalism=wealth gap. It eventually leads to the wealth gap, but it does not equal to it. Part of the problem with the wealth gap is also that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer and this is clearly a terrible example of that.
I think rather than thinking that class consciousness that leads to the right being in agreement with the left, but instead everyone's hatred of the health insurance industry which we are all forced into that then allows the system to screw with us. The right doesn't care about class consciousness because they don't care about CEOs making $10m+. They think that's a meritocracy.
And acting like this is an example of the wealth gap when it was a wealthy ivy league grad killed a wealthy CEO is crazy. More likely it's about how even the wealthy can't access good mental healthcare in this country.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago edited 1d ago
Don’t you think it’s strange that even an Ivy League kid from a family with several golf courses was also infuriated buy the system that brought forth the health insurance companies and the most expensive healthcare system with the worst outcomes? Even people we would consider pretty wealthy are upset at their healthcare costs. They might be upset that social media executives are making billions while fucking up their kids mental health. They’re is now become a lot more in common with the wealthy and the poor, than the wealthy and the ultra wealthy
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u/oakfield01 1d ago
I think you're trying to force the narrative in a box you have and want it to be, rather than looking at the actual facts of what happened.
One rich kid killed one executive. He also went missing for months without talking to his family, to the point his family put in a missing persons report because they were worried about him. It is not an example of the wealthy turning on the ultra-wealthy you seem to be inventing to keep your theory that this is an example of class warfare alive. Sorry.
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
How did anything you just say negate anything I said? A rich kid disappeared from his family for months, killed someone ultra-wealthy (whose business actively kept others poor), wrote a manifesto, and when being moved to his cell, yelled to the press about not insulting the intelligence of the American people.
I think you just don’t want to see it
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u/oakfield01 1d ago edited 1d ago
One rich kid. One
If you think that's an example of class warfare, I seriously question if you even know what a class is.
Him disappearing for months and not talking to his family is more of an example of mental health issues than an incredibly intelligent plan to kill a CEO. The best thing to do when committing a crime is to follow your routine as normally as possible before and after.
Hence you are taking facts and fitting them to your theory as opposed to fitting your theory to facts.
But as Robert says, facts can't convince someone who is already brainwashed. Good day
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
That’s cool man. You don’t agree that it’s opening up some people to looking at the wealth gap in a different way. I disagree. You go and do whatever you think will help or whatever
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u/jpotion88 1d ago
Maybe have a look at what the people on some conservatives boards are saying about it btw.
And nooo one from the wealthy class can commiserate or champion labor causes… that’s never happened before
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u/_013517 20h ago
He doesn't know anything about the history of rebellions in this country
Abolitionists were wealthy white people
Nathaniel Bacon was a wealthy white person
Turns out when you're wealthy and not oppressed you have a ton of time to read and even more time to organize and plot
The black civil rights leaders? Also fairly wealthy compared to other black people at the time
Wealth gives you time and freedom
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u/classphoto92 1d ago
Joined. I am spending Christmas with my Conservative parents, and we have a standing agreement to not talk "politics." But we cal ALL get behind fuck the rich.