r/InternationalNews • u/richards1052 • Apr 22 '24
Opinion/Analysis Israel attacked Iranian air defenses at nuclear power plant. Both nations are preparing for potential nuclear Armageddon
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2024/04/22/israeli-attack-destroyed-iranian-nuclear-plants-air-defenses/197
u/Dehnus Apr 22 '24
"We promised to only do a little attack and then attack Rafah! BUT LOL WE WILL DO BOTH AHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
-- Israel, worst friend EVER!
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u/AdamJeffery7 Apr 22 '24
So called Israel is obviously America’s minion, the one who takes blame for doing whatever they’re told to do
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u/Additional_Olive3318 Apr 22 '24
I think the tail wags the dog here. Although of course many Americans are onboard.
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u/BZenMojo Apr 22 '24
"Put your dog on a leash!"
"It's an outside dog! Maybe you should learn to run faster!"
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u/AdamJeffery7 Apr 22 '24
Can’t lie, that logic makes absolute sense! But instead of instigating by running, toss a treat and teach to obey
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u/adron Apr 22 '24
Why do they routinely do exactly what we ask them not to.
The “everybody is Americas minion” is some hilarious nonsense, as if the USA is that competent and powerful. Come on, have you ever worked for the feds?
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u/Fuzakenaideyo Apr 22 '24
America wants partners in Hegemony & it's not like the USA isn't evil as fuck on the world stage or historically
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u/redditcdnfanguy Apr 23 '24
They're not the sugar daddy, they're the battered wife in a gay marriage.
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u/adron Apr 22 '24
Not when they actually benefit us massively. The other question is how much time left for Irans nonsense when most of the Middle East is tiring of their extremist bullshit? Geopolitically they’re not in a good place.
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u/Kado0o0osh Apr 22 '24
Samson Option is pretty f'ing scary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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u/Cloudstreet444 Apr 22 '24
Basically. There crazy enough to do it. If they can't have some make believe land nobody can have the world. How very religious
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Apr 22 '24
If someone invades the us and was at the brink of taking it, it'd have a legitimate reason to use a nuke, israel won't use a nule and never eill unless at the brink of collapse due to foreign invasion
Every nation with sense would have to use a nuke if it's forced to by wad and invasion so no its not "ohh crazy israel"
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u/SlippitySlappety Apr 22 '24
Pretty telling how many wild implausible premises you have to use to make Israel look not crazy
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u/Cloudstreet444 Apr 22 '24
Hold up fam I don't think you read the link. Israel were going to remote detonate a nuke on a mountain top during the 6 day war as a show of strength. These fuckeds are one Hitler speech away from a preemptive strike against in a aid convoy cause they think they saw a guy with a gun 2km away.
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Apr 23 '24
I don't think you know how a nuke works honestly, a nuke can be one to destroy nearly all of sinai, or a big bomb that can effect at best a few hundred meters to a kilometer, it was only a plan and was never actually used too so I don't get what you are so upset about since again detonating a small nuclear warhead on a mountain top in the middile of a desert doesn't really do anything apart from at best being what israel intended it to be, a show of force, and radiate the area for 15-20 years at best
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u/SuddenlyGeccos Apr 23 '24
This is always such a bs argument as it imagines a nuclear power heavily losing a conventional war to an entity that has no capacity to respond to a nuclear attack. In this scenario using nukes would basically always be escalating a losing war so now you're losing a nuclear war instead.
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u/Yokepearl Apr 22 '24
So israel is willing to destroy… israel? Lol smh American lonewolf projects are usually the dumbest self harm
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u/horridgoblyn Apr 22 '24
Who, but ghoul zealots would come up with this shit, or sign off on it? The cultists must really want their idiotic rapture.
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u/rust_devx Apr 27 '24
The justification by David PerImutter seems like they basically want the world to suffer, if they have to? Am I reading that right? we've been told our whole life that that's the mentality of lran and the rest of the middle east, yet we see that lsraeI is no different.
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u/No_Refrigerator2534 Apr 22 '24
Attacking a nuclear power plant, not the brightest idea Isreal
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u/WeddingPretend9431 Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
They ran out of that since oct7
edit: they never had any(I'm referring to bright ideas)
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u/nirshabi50 Apr 22 '24
It's crazy how anyone that says anything other than ''Israel bad!'' gets downvoted.
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u/kjchowdhry Apr 22 '24
It’s crazy how israel simps can’t handle criticism of their favorite genocide enactor
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u/nirshabi50 Apr 22 '24
I believe Israelis critisize their government more than the average citizen in an average country.
How's critisizem has anything to do with the current thread? Have you even read the article?
Nuclear plant? Jeez.
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u/kjchowdhry Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
I believe Israelis critisize their government more than the average citizen in an average country.
Oh I wasn’t aware today was “feelings, not facts” day. Your statement is laughable at best
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u/nirshabi50 Apr 22 '24
Read any newspaper in Israel prior to Oct 7 and see how many protests were and for how long.
But hey - you won't do it.
Have fun laughing.
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u/kjchowdhry Apr 22 '24
Any israeli newspaper? That pathetic excuse for a country has gone full fascist by blocking news it doesn’t like
Sure, I will enjoy laughing at your pathetic attempts to distract
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u/LadiesMan6699 Apr 23 '24
Despite all this healthy skepticism in Israel, polling shows the population is united in believing they have been sufficiently bombing Gaza or haven’t bombed Gaza enough. The lack of criticism when it comes to wiping Gaza off the map is frightening tbh.
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u/kjchowdhry Apr 22 '24
It’s more of a “has eyes and morals” vs “blind in many ways” split. But, sure, blame it on age lol
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u/larrylustighaha Apr 22 '24
you want a terror regime, such as Iran, to have a nuclear bomb?
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u/larrylustighaha Apr 22 '24
seems like you are unable to have a civilized discussion which fits to you supporting terrorist dictatorships
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Oh shit, good point... always important to be civil when hospitals are being bombed and children are being starved. It's very important ti me that you feel respected as you support the most moral genocide.
Dont want to support a dictatorship either.... to that end, can you remind me of when the next Israeli PM election is?
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u/b1tchlasagna Apr 22 '24
Israeli was built via terrorism.
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u/b1tchlasagna Apr 23 '24
This is a mighty big accusation for someone who created their account in January 2024.
Your r/badhasbara doesn't work here
Also just saying. This is projection on your part
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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 22 '24
But you want another terror regime like Israel to have nuclear bombs?
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 22 '24
Israel and US are terrorists states with nuclear weapons. Iran is not worse than them in any thing in terms of terrorism.
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u/dergy621 Apr 22 '24
Genuinely can’t believe I’m reading things like this on Reddit.
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 22 '24
Why not? One of them They already suggested nuking gaza. The other one is supporting them unconditionally and is not holding them accountable for anything.
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u/Level-Technician-183 Apr 22 '24
Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu said Sunday that one of Israel’s options in the war against Hamas could be to drop a nuclear bomb on the Gaza Strip, in comments that were quickly disavowed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who also suspended the minister from cabinet meetings.
Imagine having such people as minister in your goverment. And how many others have similar ideas but did not speak them...yet.
By Feb, gaza's damage was equall to 3 nukes.
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u/Bulky-Apricot-1670 Apr 22 '24
While Israel has been over escalating things, this subreddit is batshit insane
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u/MentokGL Apr 22 '24
Russian bots and trolls have been working overtime.
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u/gecata96 Apr 22 '24
Criticism towards the west = russian bots and trolls
You can criticize both buddy. You people really are stupid.
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u/4tus2018 Apr 22 '24
Iran shouldn't have nuclear weapons but neither should Isreal.
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u/larrylustighaha Apr 23 '24
Israel is not the one starting shit and also doesn't have one
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u/4tus2018 Apr 23 '24
Israel keeps it going killing all kinds of women and children too so don't act like they are any better. They are both 2 sides of the same coin. Btw yes Israel does have nukes and they absolutely should be forced to give them up.
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u/bedbugs8521 Apr 22 '24
When will Israel realize he's just a single kid on the block surrounded by bigger neighbours.
They made enough mess already.
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u/RetroSquirtleSquad Apr 22 '24
The irony here is that Israel knows this and acts this way because of this.
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
Hasn't Israel handily defeated their neighbors multiple times before?
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u/momo88852 Apr 22 '24
Didn’t they lose against Lebanon 🤣 an under funded and barely a standing army.
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u/Starwolf00 Apr 22 '24
With unlimited financial, intelligence, and military equipment support from the U.S.
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u/bedbugs8521 Apr 22 '24
If 10 countries just come down and smack Israel including Russia, they won't last.
Biden maybe right, a full scale war might end everything here, Israel just won't stop poking the hornet's nest.
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u/NeoDestiny Apr 26 '24
Not for 48, 56 or 67. Israel was actively blocked by the Brits in 48, and in 67 they had zero security guarantees from the west, meanwhile the Arab states were fully backed by the USSR from 56 onwards. You have no idea what you’re talking about, stop getting your news from TikTok.
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
The US was not supporting Israel during the 6 day war.
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u/curebdc Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
True. But the French were and British. Israel's win there was still due to western support and their development of a rudimentary nuclear bomb. This was in the back of the other belligerents minds.
All of israel is propped up by western support. From the twinkle in the zionists eye to today
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
France supported the Arab states during the six day war, my dude.
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u/curebdc Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
True, France supported up until the 6 day war. Then France embargoes the region, mostly hitting Israel.
After the 6 day war, the US swaps as israels main squeeze.
IF the 6 day war went on for longer, it would have looked different. AND if they didn't have a nuke, thanks to Western support, it would have looked different too. But Israel gambled (with a nuke) and came out on top, drastically changing the region.
Don't pretend Israel had no support tho, lol. Basically, 6 day war shook up the region and catapulted Israel forward as the true occupiers and aggressors they are today. They gambled and they won thanks to already enjoying advantages that their neighbors didn't have.
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
Yes different conditions would have looked different, this is tautalogically true.
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u/curebdc Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Right, like the West propping up Israel, enabling them to develop nuclear weapons. If that didn't happen, things would have been different.
You'd like to pretend the 6 day war happened in a vacuum.
6 day war was a shake-up for support, where gaps existed sure. However, you can't deny that Israel has enjoyed Western support at a scale unequal to anywhere in the region. A gap in this support doesn't mean they didn't have advantages.
You understand this. But you are arguing in bad faith.
Edit: I take it back I don't think they're arguing in bad faith for what it's worth.
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
I don't think I did, I only corrected some misconceptions. I think it is relevant to point out that Israel has more support now than it did during the six day war.
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u/curebdc Apr 23 '24
Yes, psst how did the cold war go? So ya Israel had been propped up by the west while Arab states were encouraged by ussr and initially supported. That doesn't mean they were on equal footing.
Ussr was no where near as powerful as the west and especially the USA. The idea that ussr was a threat to the USA was propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_and_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict
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u/WeddingPretend9431 Apr 22 '24
Not military wise but they sure did with intelligence and financial backing do you think they would want the Suez canal blocked
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u/Ok-Box3115 Apr 22 '24
I mean if you pretend like they haven’t been receiving money from Americans since inception then sure
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
And? That isn't going to change anytime soon as Israel is a key geopolitical ally of the US.
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u/Ok-Box3115 Apr 22 '24
Yeah but your statement made it sound like israel was some regional powerhouse and it’s not.
It’s just another shitty American puppet
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u/anadoob122 Apr 22 '24
It's a regional powerhouse (top ten air force) with the backing of the strongest military in the world lol
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u/Ok-Box3115 Apr 22 '24
All of Israel’s aircraft comes from America… Israel has no power. America could form a similar relationship with a dirt mount in an unoccupied area of desert and have the same effect.
Then will you say “that mound is a regional powerhouse”? Lmfao
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Apr 22 '24
What nuclear Armageddon? Israelis don't have nuclear weapons, that's what they told us. They wouldn't lie, they are good people. BBC told me.
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u/Philip_of_mastadon Apr 22 '24
Plus if they did, most of our aid to them would be illegal under the nonproliferation treaties we've signed, and we would never violate international law day in and day out for decades like that. /s
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u/Cobbertson Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Israelis don't have nuclear weapons, that's what they told us. They wouldn't lie, they are good people. BBC told me.
BBC: 14 January 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-51091897
Nine countries currently have nuclear weapons: the US, UK, Russia, France, China, India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea.
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Apr 22 '24
Of course the world knows, what I was getting at is that Israeli government failed to acknowledge that
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u/Cobbertson Apr 22 '24
You specifically implicated the BBC in the denial of Israeli nuclear weapons, so I simply provided proof to the contrary.
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Apr 23 '24
You're conflating two different parts of my comment but it's on me because I phrased it really badly, so apologies. What I was suggesting is that BBC told me Israelis are good people.
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24
At some point biden will have to stop enabling them, right?
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u/BebophoneVirtuoso Apr 22 '24
Probably not, he loses, Trump wins, things get far worse. Last night trump was bitching about how pro Palestine protestors and “rioters” (his term) can do whatever they please, implying that’s all gonna change next year.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112314542953753353
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24
I want you to know there is no amount of Trump fear mongering that will get me to vote for biden. Genocide is my line and if you are telling me both sides support a genocide then I am abstaining
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u/bloodclotmastah Apr 22 '24
Don't abstain altogether, vote third party. It's the only possible way towards a true democracy in the US
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u/sharingiscaring219 Apr 22 '24
Yeah exactly. If you're gonna waste a vote, at least put it to good use. Show we need something different
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Apr 23 '24
Don’t bother commenting in this subreddit, it’s astroturfed to hell. These takes in here are insane lol
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u/BebophoneVirtuoso Apr 22 '24
Totally fine with that, just my expectation of what will happen. I’ve heard people explain how genocide doesn’t also involve humanitarian aid or pamphlets warning that air strikes are coming, but I get it. Personally I’ve prepared my mind and soul for at least 4 more years of trump and with my lifestyle I’ll personally be fine. Just weird hearing the next president talk about these Palestine Demonstrators as rioters, but I anticipate that will seem like mild rhetoric in 9 months
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24
Pro Palestinian protestors are already being arrested. Pro palestine phrases are being condemned as hate speech.
Fascism is fascism. Genocide is genocide. I don't care if your version of genocide and fascism are lest boorish and pigheaded. The impact is the same
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u/justforthisjoke Apr 22 '24
Genocide can in fact involve both those things for rhetorical reasons as long as you are trying to convince people you aren't performing a genocide. It might also look like letting through some humanitarian aid for optics and then bombing 3 trucks containing NGO volunteers. Or, I don't know, having your minister publicly state that you intend to block food water and electricity from the whole region because you're dealing with "human animals".
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u/hey_you_too_buckaroo Apr 22 '24
Why?
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24
Bc they're genocidal monsters thay are plunging the world into a global conflict with blood lust
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u/hey_you_too_buckaroo Apr 22 '24
But Biden is fully in support of this. Why do you say he has to stop enabling them.
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u/iwishiwasntthisway Apr 22 '24
It was more wishful thinking assuming that the US president was a logical actor.... but you're right... what the voters want don't matter to him. He is an empty soulless husk and always has been
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u/larrylustighaha Apr 22 '24
you mean Hamas?
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u/hey_you_too_buckaroo Apr 22 '24
Israel has caused way more damage and death. What Hamas has done barely registers in comparison.
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u/Usernameoverloaded Apr 22 '24
Israel, but then you know that.
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u/Puzzleleg Apr 22 '24
Every day we come closer to this
https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Mideast_Meltdown
Just a different year and some different countries.
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u/Vanillas_Guy Apr 22 '24
Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, and they're Shia Muslims so a Muslim majority nuclear armed nation(like Pakistan) isn't obligated to assist.
The thing Israel wants to do is nuke Iran to eliminate them as a potential threat, but if it does that, it's a loss. Iran is territory they won't be able to access anymore due to radiation. Israel wants the land too because they're an expansionist power. You cant keep offering citizenship and housing to people who identify as jewish without having the space to house them. They're not going to stop at Gaza and the west Bank. They're likely going all the way with it and America would want that since it would get to access some of that real estate and natural resources.
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u/justforthisjoke Apr 22 '24
It's really not a religious thing. Even if Iran was sunni, they could expect no help from Pakistan. I mean Palestine is sunni and there's been nothing from Pakistan. This is because of Pakistan's alliance with the west (which also why they're allowed to have nukes despite not being as significant a world power as the others).
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u/Usernameoverloaded Apr 22 '24
Think Pakistan has its hands full just by bordering Iran, India, Afghanistan and China.
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u/Faizan114 Apr 22 '24
its just that US gives money to generals in Pakistan, and those generals basically control whole of pakistan. Also it is impossible to become General if you dont take bribes
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u/79freefall Apr 22 '24
Most nuclear weapons don't leave places irradiated wastelands they're usually detonated in the air to maximise damage and minimise fallout. Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't unliveable. While they were only single detonations and if they wanted to eliminate Iran they would have to use multiple it still wouldn't be unliveable unless they used dirty bombs or intentionally detonated them at or below ground
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u/ThaneOfArcadia Apr 22 '24
Let's say one of them launched a nuclear missile attack, what would other countries do?
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Apr 22 '24
This is bad, Israel's government is turning into a monster that's getting out of control.
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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 22 '24
It's more like they realized that it doesn't matter how bad they act they won't get any serious backlash from the west so they are removing their mask more and more.
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Apr 22 '24
(I'm being retorical here) What would they have to do shoot and injure a politician from a European country?
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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 22 '24
I am pretty sure that won't even cut it, I mean they attacked a U.S military ship twice (the first one could be a mistake but the second time was intentional) and then they blamed it on Egypt, which prompted the U.S to prepare for bombing Cairo, until it was confirmed it was Israel so then they just swept the whole incident under the rug.
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Apr 22 '24
Again I was being retorical.
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u/SRGsergan592 Apr 22 '24
Oh no I get that, I was just trying to tell the story of that incident because to this day the fact that Israel got out of it without anything baffles me.
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u/Left--Shark Apr 22 '24
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68711282.amp
They straight up murdered citizens from most of their allies.. Mostly from the west. Not enough for anything other than a stern finger wag.
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u/Arabsah Apr 22 '24
Only the Zionist has a nuclear arsenal and are genocidal enough to use it as we are seeing they do not shy away from mass slaughter. As for Iran the propaganda in both the U.S and Zionist state has always been that the Iranians are always a step away from nuclear warheads as we see from time to time but never achieved. Ultimately the Iranian nuclear threat is just another "WMD' lie to sow wars and conflicts in the Middle East.
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u/horridgoblyn Apr 22 '24
Is the sham of capitalist oligarchies being democratic so close to exposure our leaders condone these morbid final act theatrics?
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u/davie162 Apr 22 '24
Israel once again proves to the world that they are even worse than Russia, ready to strike at a nuclear facility if Iran responds to their provocations.
Israel seems to love their warcrimes.
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u/Courier_0797 Apr 22 '24
Israel's ability to escalate ANY situation and still play the victim is astounding
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u/Mak11556 Apr 22 '24
Israel is looking for someone to slap some sense into them, they are poking a sleeping bear.
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u/Big_Albatross_3050 Apr 22 '24
idk why militaries are still threatening with Nukes. There's more destructive explosives available that won't leave the surface uninhabitable for decades.
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u/According_Being2590 Apr 22 '24
I absolutely refuse to fight for Israel’s war in the Middle East. They can send their own boys to die before we Americans spill a damn drop for them. We already prop them up with funding and aid that could be better spent at home on infrastructure and social welfare programs for the working class that actually deserve that money.
Shit pisses me off let those two waste each other for all I care.
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u/Mercurial891 Apr 22 '24
Looks like the Evangelicals will finally get the apocalypse they were hoping for.
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u/nycdiveshack Apr 22 '24
Side bit of randomness, on Pluto tv the app all I keep getting are commercials for Israel and saying they are being forgotten so keep fighting the enemies in Gaza
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u/strobino Apr 23 '24
Richard, its time for DINNER! Turn that type writer off and get town here! Set the table!
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u/redditcdnfanguy Apr 23 '24
Couldn't happen to two nicer countries.
However, I'm pretty sure Israel out nukes Iran 10 to 1 minimum.
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u/exceptionalfish Apr 24 '24
As theocracies, they're both equally insane. But as regional military powers go, it doesn't get more insane than Israel.
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u/SubstantialSchool437 Apr 22 '24
our stable democracy in the middle east is going to get us all killed
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u/Minecraftish Apr 22 '24
Well as long as Iran pulls the trigger first and gets a couple in on Israel.. 😂😂
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u/Ok-Box3115 Apr 22 '24
Nuclear arms from either country would be targeted and shot down before they went into the second phase. Don’t believe the hype
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u/79freefall Apr 22 '24
Not all nuclear weapons are ballistic missiles or ICBMs (which are already hard to shoot down) a simple nuclear bomb is pretty effective there's no infrared signature so requires radar guidance and a radar can't tell the difference between a nuclear bomb and a conventional bomb so unless you shoot everything down one could slip through. But yes I agree it's probably all sabre rattling if either country struck first with a nuclear weapon every nation would condemn and sanction them into nonexistence even Israel's daddy the USA would most likely cut ties with them .
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