r/GetMotivated • u/MyrleBeynonf1967 • 14d ago
IMAGE Honesty weeds out the wrong crowd [image]
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u/helendestroy 14d ago
And inspirational sounding quotes will always end up attributed to Lennon, Wilde, or Lincoln.
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"At least half the quotes on the internet are incorrectly attributed to me" - Abraham Lincoln, 1862
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u/helendestroy 14d ago
A true visionary
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I read that even John Wilkes Booth admitted to the other conspirators that he was “the GOAT. No cap”
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u/chibinoi 14d ago
Just don’t conflate honesty with bluntness and assholery. Which happens too often.
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u/NepenthesBlackmoss 13d ago
This.
Took me some time to understand this. Understanding the limits for who and what to say is part of being a better person.
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u/Sheniori 14d ago
Said the wife beater, diabled hater, cause of The (FUCKING) Beatles to break up. LOL. Get your heroes stright.
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u/Chromatic10 14d ago
Yes, please this should be higher. Pithy quote but let's stop pretending he was a great sage of his time when he was really a douchbag and all around bad person
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u/Smart_Puff 14d ago
What is this urge to chastise great people by fixating on their worst traits. If the man beat his wife every single day he still brought more net good and beauty into this world than you, me, or nearly anyone else ever will.
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u/Myquil-Wylsun 14d ago
I don't get this tendency to look the other way when talented people do horrible things. As if producing art makes his wife-beating alright. Regardless of what he produced, Lennon was a scumbag.
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u/Smart_Puff 14d ago
Nothing makes it alright, it was wrong and he admitted to it and expressed his regret. Everyone makes mistakes and I’m not going to flagellate a great man more than 40 years after his death for internet good boy points. People need a reality check.
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u/LewisLightning 13d ago
Everyone makes mistakes
This is the problem right here. The mistakes aren't the important part. Everyone uses this to try to explain away all the bad things they do, because "hey, everyone does it!". No, that's this shit answer and it leads to more and more shitty behaviour down the line.
Good people make amends, or they own up and make up for what they do. Mistakes are only half of the equation, taking responsibility and doing the moral thing is the second half. John didn't give a damn about that second half, just like he didn't give a damn about his son either. He was a terrible person. None of his quotes were anything new, he just had a stage from which to say them. We should put more deserving people on the mantle when we look for models of peace and understanding rather than the abuser and all around asshole known as John Lennon.
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u/Smart_Puff 13d ago
I'm not excusing the bad things he did. He admitted his mistakes and expressed remorse. What is the point in condemning this man. He did bad things?
I'm only saying that also brought unfathomable beauty into the world. That is true. His music was a gift to humanity.
If you decide you're going to be the ultimate arbiter of morality, and stand in judgement of greater men than yourself, why not consider the good as well as the bad? Because you only want to finger wag and feel superior.
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u/RafaSquared 14d ago
You can’t be a great person if you’re a domestic abuser.
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u/Smart_Puff 14d ago
Great is not the same thing as good
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u/Chromatic10 14d ago
one can appreciate his music without pretending he was a good person. you don't have to be a good person to make good art, but you can't be a good person if you literally abuse people.
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u/geetarboy33 14d ago
I know I’m wasting my time, but I just so tired of self righteous dipshits with this take any time Lennon is mentioned. You know how we know about any abuse? From Lennon himself in one of his later interviews. He admitted he had struck his first wife and felt terrible about it. Cynthia was asked about it and said yes, he did slap her once when they were young. She herself said it never happened again or she would have left. Lennon brought it up and criticized himself for it because it haunted him. Yes, he was also not a great father to his first son, Julian. He wasn’t around and paid much more attention to his second son who was born when he was older and not so distracted by fame and his career. People online now like to paint Lennon as a guy who beat both of his wives on a daily basis and kicked babies for fun. If you don’t like him and judge him, that’s totally valid, but don’t paint him out to be a fucking monster that deserved to be shot (yes, I realize this comment will be downvoted).
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u/thesheba 14d ago
Facts and he did a bunch of therapy as well to cope with the trauma from his childhood and fame. People act like he’s a remorseless Chris Brown or something.
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u/sheilzy 14d ago
For real, he was really young and at the height of Beatle Mania when he had Julian. He also got some contradicting messages when he married for the first time. Cynthia was pregnant, so as the norms of the time went, they married shortly after the discovery, however, Beatles management didn't want to publicize John's marriage or parenthood in an effort to keep the ladies pining for him (yes, Asian music markets still do similar stuff today). So it was a little confusing. Yes, he was supporting his family financially, but they didn't want him to acknowledge this? He was freer to be honest about his personal life in his post-Beatles career.
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u/Bloomingbriefs 14d ago
It’s just not worth engaging with anything on reddit about him. It’s hard to get more of a “I was a bad guy, now I’m trying to do right” statement than in “getting better”. Beatles fans will recognize the flaws, humanity, and genius. Most people just don’t think about it or care. It’s just popular on this site to drag him through the mud
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u/Borge_Luis_Jorges 14d ago
I know it's just the times reverting, but you're overselling him too. It was just some guy.
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u/heLlsLounge 14d ago
Also the man who made a 42 minute movie of his dick, where he cums at the end. Truly a great role model
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u/cautioussidekick 14d ago
I don't know anything about the Beatles but I assume this is why he got shot in the end?
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u/deukhoofd 14d ago
Nah, it was a psychotic religious guy that was angry about Lennon saying The Beatles were "more popular than Jesus", and the lyrics of God and Imagine.
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u/DoctorFlo 14d ago
Downvote for most toxically woke comment of the day. JL Brought more joy and peace to the world than you, even though he was as flawed as he admitted himself!
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u/Malafakka 14d ago
Another one who doesn't get it.
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u/DoctorFlo 14d ago
Irony only works if it’s in such a way the recipient(s) can understand it. Try making good jokes.
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u/chuck47x 14d ago
Imagine being motivated by a man who was known as a wife beater, cheater, and child abandoner lol.
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u/88cowboy 14d ago
I said something similar on a post about his killer having conjugal visits. Someone said imagine being the killer of Lennon in Jail. I replied i thought killing wife beaters make you a hero.
Reddit was not happy with me lol
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u/Mister_Uncredible 14d ago
He wasn't though. He slapped his first wife Cynthia, once, and he was incredibly remorseful and freaked out that he was capable of doing something like that.
This is all based on first hand accounts from Cynthia herself. According to her, he never did it again.
And by all available accounts, he was never abusive towards Yoko. And I seriously doubt she would have put up with any bullshit. As much as the Beatle fandom loves to hate her (less so these days), she was the polar opposite of a demure, submissive partner. Their year long separation in the 70s was because she kicked him out, he didn't leave on his on volition.
If anything I would give John Lennon praise for being willing to admit his faults, publicly no less, and also put in the work to never repeat them. There's hours of interview footage/audio of him taking himself to task for the things he did and said...
I think any of us would be lucky to have even a modicum of he self reflection he at least attempted to have. Especially considering he was literally one of the four most famous people in the world from the age of 24 until his death.
He's an entire universe away from the Saint-like deity some have turned him into, but by just about every account, from those who actually knew him, he was far from the monster some on Reddit want him to be.
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u/LTS55 14d ago
One of my best friends had his marriage fall apart because he had undiagnosed mental health issues and became emotionally abusive. He’s been very forthcoming about how poorly he treated his ex, but because he is honest and says he was abusive to her (true, but he never was physically abusive at all) people have heard that and think he beat his wife up a bunch and don’t want anything to do with him. It really sucks that one of the kindest people I’ve ever met is ostracized for his honesty. It reminds me of how people treat Lennon a little bit.
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u/Mister_Uncredible 14d ago edited 14d ago
Anyone who doesn't think they're capable of being a terrible human being is a person who lacks the introspection to do anything about it when they inevitably are.
Edit: Grammar, I made a double negative.
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u/LordBledisloe 14d ago
I’m not sure why people think things like this should motivate them in any way. First, what’s motivating about it? It’s a quote about honesty.
Second, all I see is a person with a pretty high likelihood of being an asshole and is just trying to validate it.
Third, Lennon was pretty famous for being a “do what I say,not what I do” sort of guy. Singing and protesting peace while being a wife beater. Singing about no possessions while being worth $600m in today’s money.
Fourth and most hilarious of all in this case: he was renowned, even by his fans, for being a regular liar. Or at least a guy who bends the truth depending on how he is feeling. He lied about multiple big ticket parts of his life such as his “poor upbringing” and how much other band members had to do with the songwriting. He even admitted to lying about the latter in this book.
I rolled my eyes at seeing this. This is the dude version of the Marilyn Monroe “If you don’t like me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best” shared by women young and old on Facebook.
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u/mfhtotheizzo 14d ago edited 14d ago
Edit: <deleted joke that wasn’t really funny and relied on a setup containing inaccurate information>
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u/JimmyDTheSecond 14d ago
Gonna just pop in with a quote whom I don't know the author of, but I heard it through a person called Damien Haas from Smosh.
"People who are brutally honest enjoy the brutality as much as the honesty, if not more so."
That's why things like knowing the room and tact are essential when learning how to be kind to others.
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u/Dan-D-Lyon 14d ago
I bet John Lennon has a ton of great advice about how to write good music, but when it comes to maintaining healthy relationships I'm just going to go ahead and ignore everything he's ever fucking said on the matter
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u/whitebeard97 14d ago
I’ve done this. Loneliness is still not easy. It’s like getting punished for doing the right thing. Do I have regrets about being honest? No.
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u/Boesermuffin 14d ago
honesty sets you free from everything that is not ment for you. it is cuttung you free, which is painfull. But once youre free, you're with people who share your passion. its great.
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7207 13d ago
While I like the quote, he and Yoko stole at least one song from Frank Zappa when Lennon went solo so... He's not as pure as people would like to think.
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u/TheManInTheShack 14d ago
When my wife and I decided to marry, her dad asked to speak to me. He had some questions before he would approve of our marrying. Before hand my wife gave me a list of answers he would not like hearing. I told her that I would not lie to her dad. That would be a time bomb waiting to go off. And there were a few things he didn’t like but because I was honest, he trusted me.
There is no practical situation in which I will lie. I’m not brutal about it. I just tell the truth. Those that know me generally think of me as the most honest person they have ever met. That’s because I was raised by the most honest person I’ve never met and he was raised by the most honest person he’d ever met.
Being honest means being dedicated to see the world as it truly is and to giving others the opportunity to make the best possible decisions they can because you’re being truthful.
It doesn’t mean being brutal. It doesn’t mean over sharing. It means not intentionally misleading others.
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u/Oh_Another_Thing 14d ago
John Lennon was a terrible, terrible person. Don't take advice from John Lennon.
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u/Fearsofaye 14d ago
”Leave your child after you beaten their mother. Forget about that kid. Marry a awful woman that everyone hates”
John Lennon
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u/Mimicking-hiccuping 2 14d ago
That man was a prime, self-centered arsepiece. Does not deserve to be remembered as anything but.
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u/ldsdrff76 14d ago
Did he say anything about beating up children, while he was at it with the inspirational quotes?
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u/[deleted] 14d ago
Dumb people interpret stuff like this to mean they can be an asshole and its everyone else's problem.
I prefer "It's a dangerous thing to mistake speaking without thought for speaking the truth” by the philosopher Benoit Blanc