Ok great. End of discussion. You think apartheid south Africa is a democracy. That's all I need to know.
Or will you bend over backwards like a pretzel trying to explain how apartheid south Africa is actually a great democracy with no apartheid if you just squint and ignore everything that happens there
So you're ancient? Then you must know I mean when I say is SA a democracy. If you have more than two neurons to rub together you might just get what context mean.
Question still stands. Is APARTHEID south Africa. A democracy?
Uhuh. But was it a democracy. History doesn't get erased if you don't like it. And south Africa still suffers from the effects of apartheid and will for a long long time. I'd appreciate it if you stop dodging a simple yes no question
Great. So apartheid doesn't go hand in hand with democracy. So why do you call Israel a democracy.
If you want to say the same bs of it's not technically Israel 🤓 because the illegal settlements aren't on Israeli soil by some definitions. When there are cars marked Palestinians and can't go everywhere and Israeli cars that can damn well drive into gods house and the idf would protect them. When there are roads a Palestinian can't walk on. They can't modify their homes (even in the so called Israel free zone). They can't vote and have to stick with the government Israel installed
You appear to be confusing Israel with the occupied territories.
Under international law those territories are the responsibility of Israel.
There's a section in the Israeli wiki page talking about this.
Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.[283] The joint document The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, asserts: "Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State." The document explains that by definition the "Jewish State" concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission.
Look up the israeli "nation state law". It outlines two kinds of citizens. The jews and everyone else. It was a pretty controversial law that passed anyway. Because that's how democracy works in an ethnostate.
There's a lot more. But I'm not ur mom. Do ur own research.
Also, here's a 300+ page document by the US. It mentions second class citizens. And a lot more human rights abuses
What does an ethnostate mean if not a state with restricted citizenship for certain ethnic and racial/religious groups? Does a place that you can be a citizen of based on ethnicity not an ethnostate. It's in the name bruh
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u/The100thIdiot Apr 27 '24
I think that is going a bit far.
You can support Israel's right to exist but abhor the illegal settlements in the West Bank, the apartheid system, and what is going on in Gaza.