Ok great. End of discussion. You think apartheid south Africa is a democracy. That's all I need to know.
Or will you bend over backwards like a pretzel trying to explain how apartheid south Africa is actually a great democracy with no apartheid if you just squint and ignore everything that happens there
So you're ancient? Then you must know I mean when I say is SA a democracy. If you have more than two neurons to rub together you might just get what context mean.
Question still stands. Is APARTHEID south Africa. A democracy?
Uhuh. But was it a democracy. History doesn't get erased if you don't like it. And south Africa still suffers from the effects of apartheid and will for a long long time. I'd appreciate it if you stop dodging a simple yes no question
Great. So apartheid doesn't go hand in hand with democracy. So why do you call Israel a democracy.
If you want to say the same bs of it's not technically Israel 🤓 because the illegal settlements aren't on Israeli soil by some definitions. When there are cars marked Palestinians and can't go everywhere and Israeli cars that can damn well drive into gods house and the idf would protect them. When there are roads a Palestinian can't walk on. They can't modify their homes (even in the so called Israel free zone). They can't vote and have to stick with the government Israel installed
You appear to be confusing Israel with the occupied territories.
Under international law those territories are the responsibility of Israel.
There's a section in the Israeli wiki page talking about this.
Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, affecting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.[283] The joint document The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, asserts: "Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State." The document explains that by definition the "Jewish State" concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission.
Look up the israeli "nation state law". It outlines two kinds of citizens. The jews and everyone else. It was a pretty controversial law that passed anyway. Because that's how democracy works in an ethnostate.
There's a lot more. But I'm not ur mom. Do ur own research.
Also, here's a 300+ page document by the US. It mentions second class citizens. And a lot more human rights abuses
What does an ethnostate mean if not a state with restricted citizenship for certain ethnic and racial/religious groups? Does a place that you can be a citizen of based on ethnicity not an ethnostate. It's in the name bruh
Under international law those territories are the responsibility of Israel.
There's a section in the Israeli wiki page talking about this.
That does not make those territories part of Israel. I am surprised that you claim they are. For me, and for the UN, they are mostly Palestine.
Look up the israeli "nation state law". It outlines two kinds of citizens. The jews and everyone else. It was a pretty controversial law that passed anyway. Because that's how democracy works in an ethnostate.
I don't need to look it up. I wasn't in favour of it, but it isn't undemocratic, nor does it establish different classes of citizen.
Do you even read this stuff?
What does an ethnostate mean if not a state with restricted citizenship for certain ethnic and racial/religious groups? Does a place that you can be a citizen of based on ethnicity not an ethnostate.
Ahh, I see where you have got in a bit of a muddle. Let me help you out. Sharing a religion is not the same as being the same ethnicity.
That does make those territories part of Israel. I am surprised that you claim they are. For me, and for the UN, they are mostly Palestine.
Palestin as a politically cohesive entity still doesn't exist. No matter what anyone says. Israel makes sure to keep the territories divided. (Again if you read that article about Netanyahus plan to keep Palestin devided by funding hamas).
It's like how Taiwan is country. But the UN kinda doesn't really acknowledge it. Or catalonia is a kinda autonomous region. Or how western sahara is kinda another country but really not. Or Afghanistan whose government now is kinda taliban
There's many many many country that are either not recognized. Half recognized. Or are too divided to be recognized as one(the case for palestin). Or many more nuances and asterisks.
I like to call palestin a people without a government. Because hamas doesn't really fit a governmental role and was never made to. The plo is fine I guess (not really). And it's all by design. The representation of palestin in the UN is the plo btw.
nor does it establish different classes of citizen.
What does it do then? Genuine question. I learned about it very recently and haven't had the time to reread it. Also are you Jewish?
Do you even read this stuff?
Yes. Do you? I read the actual document that proposed it. And a few articles from the guardian and vox news and aljazeera and one deleted article from times of istrael I found on reddit.
Sharing a religion is not the same as being the same ethnicity.
So being Jewish is not an ethnicity? Also doesn't matter the definition of ethnostate includes religion not just ethnicity
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u/almighty_darklord Apr 27 '24
Is south Africa also a democracy then?