r/formuladank • u/EnvironmentalPass504 BWOAHHHHHHH • 1d ago
Off-tro🅱️ical “Checo is a legend!”
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u/pzkenny f1 jOuRnAlIsT 1d ago
The Gretsky Brothers stat of F1.
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u/iiwfi 1d ago
I’ve met Brent, he’s actually a supremely chill dude.
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u/saggywitchtits No 2. Driver 19h ago
It was funny watching everyone freak out that Gretzky was in the minors. It took them a while to figure out he was the brother.
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u/Damienx2 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
And together they hold 4 WDC's.
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u/Roommate__Killer He’s Not Fast at All 1d ago
without each other they can only dream championships, together they can reach it.
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u/cbucky97 “It’s called a motor race. We went car racing” 1d ago
If Max never wins another one please let this be the historical narrative that lives on
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u/Cleeve702 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Without checo, max wouldn’t have won 2021. So that one is indeed shared by both of them
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u/alphaQ314 BWOAHHHHHHH 20h ago
“Shared” is a bit of a stretch let’s be real. If checo was driving the car to its maximum he could’ve made life more difficult for the mercs strategies. He was absolutely responsible for Max winning the last race though.
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u/Robestos86 BWOAHHHHHHH 17h ago
I mean I don't mean to brag, but me and Hulkenburg are tied for F1 podiums, and me and Albon are tied on championships....
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u/BronstigeBever BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
It's sad his poor performances out shine all the great stuff he did.
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u/adventurousmango24 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
I’ll never forget that last to first in 2020 that helped him secure the red bull seat. I get the last couple of years haven’t been good for him but man had a solid career before that and I may be one of the few who remembers that.
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u/murf_milo BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Yeah, like bringing in millions in sponsorship money and merchandise sales
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u/Ficsit-Incorporated Vettel Cult 1d ago
This isn’t untrue, but he also had flashes of genuine brilliance in terms of race craft. Sakhir 2020, Abu Dhabi 2021, etc. They didn’t call him the “Mexican Minister of Defense” for nothing. He cratered at the end of his career and fully deserved to lose his seat, but he wasn’t always as terrible a driver as recent history would suggest.
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u/Strand0410 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
He was good at pulling up midfield cars. But he just wasn't cut out to drive for a top team. Slightest bit of pressure, and he's on tilt. And the more pressure he was under, the worse he drove.
Worse than his performances, his behaviour has really soured a lot of people on him. Every weekend, the lack of accountability, the excuses, the 'we should have fought for the constructors' talk, the constant 'I have a contract for next year!' stuff. He should have left halfway through and kept his dignity. Instead he had to get pulled kicking and screaming out of the car via contract negotiations. Compare that to the good grace and humour with which Ricciardo, Bottas, Zhou, KMag, etc., displayed when they finished their careers.
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u/avg-size-penis BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago edited 1d ago
his behaviour has really soured a lot of people on him
This is moronic. He never was toxic; and he's allowed to feel the team wasn't adjusting the car to his liking.
He should have left halfway through and kept his dignity. Instead he had to get pulled kicking and screaming out of the car via contract negotiations.
This is idiotic, like really really really stupid. He did his best. It's stupid to think he should quit his contract and not try. The dude is an F1 driver of course he wants to race. Every contract has an out. To say he got pulled screaming because he followed his contract is something a moron would say. At any point Red Bull could've followed the letters of the contract and remove him.
Compare that to the good grace and humour with which Ricciardo
You mean you wanted Checo to get fucked over like Ricciardo did. rofl.
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u/Zealousideal_Honey80 Vettel Cult 18h ago
Exactly. Say that you would get an extremely high-paying job in your workplace that is way above your skill set, so screw-ups are a regular occurence. But the boss doesn't mind at all. Would you willingly resign from the job, telling your boss because you suck, or would you persevere and try to do well?
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u/primaryrhyme BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
This is a stupid double standard. DR got forced out of McLaren with contract negotiations, he didn’t gracefully leave. 90% of drivers are pushed out, only the very top drivers have the luxury to retire willingly like Vettel or Raikonnen (they were declining but could’ve held a seat if they desired).
Please name one driver in the last 10 years who willingly retired (let alone mid season) due to poor performance. I fully understand the frustration toward RBR for signing the extension but blaming the driver for wanting to stay is crazy.
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u/Strand0410 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
No one willingly walks, but compare how Ricciardo bowed out after his last race. There's not a dry eye in the room. Bottas actually saw the season out, but took it on the chin and everyone saluted him for it. Everyone else who lost their seat this year did so with dignity.
Checo was literally the only one who stubbornly parroted the 'I got a contract!' every weekend like while shifting blame to everything but himself. By the time this tweet came out, we were DONE. He was always cooked, but jeez, show a little humility on the way out.
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u/primaryrhyme BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago edited 23h ago
Ok.. he did have a contract though which is why he got paid out. Do you honestly think any driver would do differently, again literally the exact same thing happened to DR at McLaren.
Also what is he gonna say when journalists are asking about losing his seat. Do you think that kind of question deserves a sincere response?
I give you that the lack of accountability from Perez was really annoying.
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u/omaregb Alonso deserved to be Champion in every season he has competed 1d ago
He wasn't even that terrible considering the car was fucked and putting everything together, but Reddit would have everyone believe otherwise by pushing completely unrealistic expectations. Now that he's been replaced nobody seems convinced his replacement will fare any better... Reddit is truly full of lunatics.
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u/Strand0410 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
The car was not fucked. It was the clear best car at the start, and by the end, was at least the third best car. Enough for a driver to still comfortably win the WDC with two races to spare. With that car, Perez should still have been getting semi-regular podiums or at least, P5s and P6s, aka, enough to get them over the line and win the WCC. You shouldn't be bombing out in Q1 and finishing out of the points every weekend, not in that car.
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u/omaregb Alonso deserved to be Champion in every season he has competed 1d ago
Perez's car was constantly behind in updates though. Not excusing him because he did drive quite poorly, but there's only so much he could do anyway when the team isn't behind you. The outcome isn't surprising, that's all I'm saying.
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u/Roasted_Newbest_Proe Clean air is king 👑 1d ago
Turns out crashing and breaking your parts every other session doesn't help your car get updated
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u/Strand0410 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Every team does staggered upgrades when they can't make more than one. McLaren prioritised Norris because he was the senior driver, but they didn't have this gulf. Plus, no upgrade magically shaves five tenths, and you'll get it next weekend, anyway. While over the course of the season, Perez's car was possibly slower than Max's on some weekends, it shouldn't be P1 vs P8.
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u/ElectricMotorsAreBad Alonslow True 2012 WDC 1d ago
And that P8 would be on a very good day for him
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u/itishowitisanditbad They race me so hard 🥺 22h ago
Not excusing him
What are you doing then?
Thats all you're really doing.
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u/_NotAPlatypus_ BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Unrealistic expectations like not failing to get out of Q1 repeatedly.
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u/AutomotivePanda BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago edited 1d ago
Poor performance implies he had anything left in the tank to give. He was at his personal peak all season.
Edit: I’m getting downvoted for pointing out Checo just isn’t good enough to have done any better? Lots of fanboys in denial hoping for a Christmas miracle today.
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u/Jphorne89 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
The Perez debate is annoying because it’s people just screaming at each other that he sucks, or he’s actually still a top-4 on the grid. Nobody wants to just admit that he’s an older and declining driver, but will still go down as a legend.
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u/itishowitisanditbad They race me so hard 🥺 22h ago
Nobody wants to just admit that he’s an older and declining driver,
I think the trouble is that a lot of people don't want to admit he shouldn't have ever got the seat.
I imagine a good percentage of people here were not even watching F1 when he was anywhere else but Red Bull so... eh
People talk about his flashes of brilliance but all he did in those moments was drive as good as his teammate for a dozen laps...
Dude was midfield his entire career and if anyone thinks a 'flash' of brilliance is good then go fawn over Maldonado who had bigger brighter flashes in shittier cars.
Perez debate is annoying because people act like he was ever good enough. His flashes are just other drives fucking normality in the best car on the grid.
He didn't decline. He was never there.
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u/BronstigeBever BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Oh for sure, he did some dumb ass shit all by himself, just that he also did some pretty good racing, but that's completely overshadowed.
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u/Vile-X If my mom had 🅱️alls, she would be my dad 1d ago
I don’t blame him for taking money over legacy. He had every chance to retire with grace.
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u/avg-size-penis BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
What legacy? The dude is not Fernando Alonso; retiring with grace is a romanticized stupid ideal. If he wants to race he can race.
For example, Ronaldihno after Barcelona and Milan went to play in Brazil and Mexico. He was slow at the end. He still got standing ovations.
It doesn't make him any less great. His legacy is intact.
Losing what make you great doesn't tarnish your legacy.
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u/primaryrhyme BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
This is silly, 90% of drivers are fired in F1. Only the very best have the luxury to retire willingly.
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u/Responsible_Shirt738 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
I'll always remember the season we led 561 laps with Max. -Checo
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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Checo raced 90 GP with Red Bull earning five wins, 29 podiums, eight fastest laps, three pole positions, and 923 points with an average of 10.32 points per race. He is third all-time in Red Bull history.
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u/AutomotivePanda BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
How do those stats compare if you don’t include 2024? Does anything change significantly? I feel like those numbers were surely worsened by his 2024 performance.
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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
I did include 2024. You are free to check them out at F1Stats.
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u/Ricky_Mouse_ mission spinnow 1d ago
The points are per race weekend aren't they? Because if they are, then every driver who has raced for Red Bull before Checo and the introduction of sprint races is in clear disadvantage
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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 21h ago
He had the best car on the grid for those 90 races. Having only 10 points per race is sad. There are only 6 drivers at Red Bull with over 28 races, and the other 4 didn’t have 100 percent of their races in a rocket ship. It’s a useless stat and when Apple to apples he won 5 to verstappens 53 and averages 10.3 points to 15.9. Even Riccardo had his 7 wins compared to verstappens 10.
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u/Ricky_Mouse_ mission spinnow 20h ago
Yea absolutely, but I think that in the last week we have understood with other stats how Checo was shit in the Red Bull
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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 20h ago
Sorry that was not directed at your question about Sunday. I felt his numbers were higher than they should have been too. These numbers are skewed from the Red Bull car being so dominant in 22 and 23 where he was able to finish second even though he was a second behind max. This dude is claiming Perez is third best at Red Bull which is a joke. Third all time at Red Bull is insulting, even with it being a new team.
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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 10h ago
It maybe an insult to you but stats don't lie: Checo is Red Bull's third best driver ever.
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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 8h ago
Stats lie all the time. It’s how you use them. His car was faster compared to the grid than any other driver for Red Bull. Verstappen had 10 wins in 96 races in a different Red Bull. In Perez’s Red Bull he had 53 wins in 90 races. You can not compare his skill against Vettles, webbers and Riccardo based off his point per race. You can against verstappen at during the same period in the same car and he got absolutely hammered.
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u/TheOvercookedFlyer BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
They're an average.
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u/Ricky_Mouse_ mission spinnow 1d ago
But are they an average of points scored on sundays or just and average of points scored by Checo in the Red Bull?
Because he was the only one (apart from Max) to benefit from Sprint weekends
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u/Zinthar BWOAHHHHHHH 22h ago edited 21h ago
For context, over those same 90 GP Max had 53 GP wins, 70 podiums, 23 fastest laps, 37 pole positions, and 1,861.5 points with an average of 20.68 points per weekend. The points count & average include the sprint races, but the other stats are for GPs only.
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u/kingofthenorph BWOAHHHHHHH 21h ago
He had less than 1 win to 10 against the same car lmao. That’s the only comparison you need. The other Red Bull racers did not have the best car in the field so their points per race is not a comparison. These Perez fan boys selecting irrelevant stats is sad. He was brutal and when the field caught up this year it showed he wasn’t a top a driver.
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u/Mindaim He’s Not Fast at All 1d ago
Well still more of a legend than op. How many laps did you lead, op? I refuse to deny that checo drove straight into our hearts with this lap!
He was the shiny magikarp to Max's Pokémon adventure!
He was so loyal, he never took any points off max, which is why max won the WDC!
Disclaimer:
The Mexican government did not fund this post, nor did they use inhumane practices to convince me to write this post. To the best of my knowledge, my family is currently not being tortured by Mexican cartel members.
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u/Stillness-mind97 BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Let’s not say anything bad about Verstappen incase it upsets his fans. Even if it’s fine that they mock every other driver on the grid.
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u/Not_Not_Matt BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
So, what you’re saying is that (for 1 lap) Checo beat 4-time WDC Max Verstappen in equal machinery? Mad lad!
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u/redraspberryy BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
It’s wild they didn’t get one sooner this year—props to Charles, I suppose.
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u/Adventurous_Pen_Is69 If my mom had 🅱️alls, she would be my dad 1d ago
Teamwork makes the Dream work baby!
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u/MarcBellina BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
This reminds me of the Gretzky brothers record for most pionts scored by brothers. Wayne with 2857 and Brent with 4
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u/hopeless-fun Goatifi 🐐 #neverforget 19h ago
His mission was to be at zero, he failed that's why he lost his seat
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u/HATECELL Trust the El 🅱️lan 18h ago
Any ideas what happened to him? Iirc during the Red Bull domination of 2023 Checo usually came in 2nd or 3rd, and during early 2024 he was still doing allright. But in late 2024 he was an absolute joke.
Any ideas? Usually such declines come with a change in cars or rules
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u/beginnerdoge I want my GF to peg me while Carlos gives it to her 12h ago
Half the F1 field is honestly worse than F3 drivers lol
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u/quiqueeeee “It’s called a motor race. We went car racing” 12h ago
Funny how this always goes. If he makes outstanding performances, is the car that's good; if he fails, he doesn’t know how to drive. Meanwhile everyone fails to accept that he is part of a team, and everyone follows orders, or get saked.
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u/TheJoshGriffith BWOAHHHHHHH 2h ago
The thing that really demonstrates his GOATworthiness is the fact that RB didn't can him mid season even with his shite performance.
He truly does have some GOATworthy pictures of the horndog.
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u/hitanthrope BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
I like how the creator of this meme has selected an image with them both looking like they have just, at that moment, been told that statistic. Excellent memeing.
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u/theinternetistoobig BWOAHHHHHHH 1d ago
Esteban Ocon led 14.