Saturn is one of the most well-written hypocritical frauds I've seen in a while.

[u/sami_newgate]

Despite proclaiming that he is a god, This guy just proves that he is a human every time he appears on screen.

He is so insecure and he needs so bad to prove that he is superior to others, even someone who is a slave like Kuma. Which is contrasted by the other gorousei who are pretty self-confident and don't need to prove anything. He fits the theme of Human contradiction so well, which is the main theme of the arc.

Everything he does gets back at him, He experimented on Ginny but ended up making a mini nika, He ordered the wiping of Kuma's personality but he was still able to protect bonney with willpower alone, and finally he allowed luffy to escape by refusing to destroy Emet.

It is ironic. in Kuma's flashback, He told him that he can't understand why humans always try to do what they are told not to do, But he ends up dying because of disobeying orders and refusing to destroy the robot. It was because of his human need to prove himself that he disobeyed orders just like the people he consider insects. It is poetic.

He is a horrible person but an amazing character. I love him so much.

RIP my fraud king.

[u/Open_Inspector_7863]

The most one dimensional villain in 15 years doesnt suddenly become a well written character just because his constant and everlasting failures open up a brief parallel between his longing of self realization and the fact that he is regularly putting everyone down for the same behaviour. We know nothing about him. Him barely being a human and therefore becoming ridiculously uninteresting is the result of the route oda wanted to go with him. I can just hope this wont be the main theme for the rest of the final antagonists.

[u/baroqueworks → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

Saturn will more than likely get Vergoed and see flashbacks of him at some point in time when the true timeline is revealed.

[u/sami_newgate → u/baroqueworks]

Definitely, His relationship with the others will be developed more. But he is an s-tier antagonist either way

[u/Open_Inspector_7863 → u/baroqueworks]

Man i hope not too much. We have an insane amount of sidecast to be shown in the true timeline, i dont think he is gonna offer a lot without taking away from more interesting characters.

[u/Agarotto → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

at least I hope that he goes that route with the elders and the upper government, since I feel we already have too much redeamble villains (teach, akainu) I need some irredeemable, black and white, fully hateable sons of bitches like the elders

[u/Latter-Contact-6814 → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

Its okay to think hes not initeresting but He is absolutely not one dimensional. Like a lot of other parts of odas character work, you get out what you put in. There's been a lot of depth to read into with Saturn and his action.

[u/EZEKIlIEL22607551159 → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

Dang, I don't often disagree with takes like this, but I disagree with this one strongly. OP in this very post gave you a lot of good reasons why Saturn is a well written character. You haven't exactly countered any of them.

EDIT: just saw you calling people you disagree with highschoolers. Nevermind, now that I see the stock of who we are arguing with, I see that it's a pointless endeavor haha

[u/sami_newgate → u/EZEKIlIEL22607551159]

It seems that he doesn’t read many stories so he can’t connect with this type of characterization.

[u/sami_newgate → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

He is definitely a three dimensional antagonist.

The main theme of egghead is human contradiction. Being a god with inferiority complex makes him the perfect antagonist for this arc.

We know almost everything about him. The beauty of his character is that the more he rejects his humanity, the more he proves that he is just a human.

Saying that he is barely a human is just a proof that you didn’t understand his character.

He is a human more than anyone else, just like kuma and bonney. His hypocrisy and need of proving himself is a proof of that.

You need to read more stories if you think that we need flashbacks to understand characters.

[u/Open_Inspector_7863 → u/sami_newgate]

I never said we need flashbacks for understanding characters or for them to be interesting, you are assuming a whole lot here. Me saying he is barely human is intentional because he is. He is not "more human than anyone else". Saturn just has one bad human trait turned up to a thousand and you are spinning all of your enjoyment out of this one aspect, which is fine. It still doesnt make him enjoyable, intruiging or interesting to me. He is playing in the same sandbox as Hody Jones. Thematically relevant but completely dull and uninteresting as a character.

[u/sami_newgate → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

That’s what your words indicated. It seems that you are not capable of understanding characterization outside of backstories.

His inferiority complex definitely makes him intriguing and thought provoking. It is just that you are not trying to think. So you can’t comprehend why it is so deep.

Hody is amazing. But saturn is way better. Saturn is a fully fleshed-out human being while what’s interesting about hody is the way he came to existence.

Saturn is definitely more human than anyone else. In an arc about human contradiction. Him, Vp and kizaru are the perfect side characters to explore this theme.

He is interesting for anyone who is looking for deep writing. If a self-proclaimed god with inferiority complex doesn’t interest you then I don’t know what does lmao.

He is an s-tier antagonist but it is not like he is top 10 antagonists in OP or anything.

[u/Open_Inspector_7863 → u/sami_newgate]

There was no indication you cognitively superior highschooler. But yeah, enjoy.

[u/sami_newgate → u/Open_Inspector_7863]

That’s what those who lack reading comprehension usually say.