r/Global_News_Hub • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ • Nov 08 '24

Israeli football hooligans tear down Palestine flags in Amsterdam as taxi drivers 'fight back' in night of chaos ahead of Maccabi Tel Aviv's visit to Ajax

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14053391/Israeli-football-hooligans-Palestine-flags-Ajax-Maccabi-Tel-Aviv.html
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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

It's hilarious that the Daily Mail get's the context correct, when it is normally as bad as the New York Post.

Just want to point out that this story was all over X first and videos showed the Maccabi fans harassing people, singing genocidal chants, and vandalizing or tearing down Palestinian flags from locals.

An Amsterdam city council member summarizes what actually happened:

The Israeli fans instigated the violence after arriving in the city and attacking Palestinian supporters before the match, an Amsterdam city council member said.

“They began attacking houses of people in Amsterdam with Palestinian flags, so that’s actually where the violence started,” councilman Jazie Veldhuyzen told Al Jazeera on Friday.

“As a reaction, Amsterdammers mobilised themselves and countered the attacks that started on Wednesday by the Maccabi hooligans.”

It began when Maccabi fans attacked a Moroccan taxi driver & were burning Palestinian flags on Wednesday, the 6th - this is before the 'attacks' by locals began.

So there is ZERO doubt about who began this drama.

The corporate media and politicians are framing this as a random, bigoted attack.

More sources:

https://x.com/BenJamalpsc/status/1854907483296354574?t=7f4_tbAjz3TzWliaA57xHA&s=19

https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1854839444928422191

https://x.com/GuyShahar93/status/1854583313312186435

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1854611633118810216

https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1854726431269700016

During the actual match, the Maccabi fans disrupted a moment of silence for the victims of the mass flooding in Spain.

https://x.com/Johnpatrick500/status/1854742600906948665

https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1854651497604129256

https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1854661181333475799

There were clashes that followed - but the press is framing it as a 'pogrom' with no mention of how the Maccabi fans themselves started this drama and engaged in the violence and mayhem.

And of course, on Reddit, that same narrative is being proliferated - mostly by citing right-wing pro-Israel press. But even the American press is pushing that narrative.

In reality, it's football hooliganism and pent-up rage at Israel's genocide - since those Maccabi fans made it political.

There's certainly a lot of hate going around - but the pro-Israel response and framing of this story as a 'pogrom' or that these football fans are innocent bystanders? Absolute nonsense.

Maccabi fans previously, randomly, attacked Palestiniansan Egyptian in Athens, Greece back in March:

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1765797229267222999

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1765845804307058769?t=SD91HjqHZYH2ZgdEihut9Q&s=19

Picked up by TRT World:

https://x.com/trtworld/status/1766058782876995789

Longer version which shows the initiation of violence by Maccabi fans:

https://x.com/EretzIsrael/status/1765894972199325970

It's so wildly dishonest how this story is being reported, especially when this club's fanbase has a history of hooliganism.

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u/Express_Work Nov 08 '24

No Israeli team should be playing in any sporting event anywhere in the world. It's a shameful disgrace and a stain on UEFA, FIFIA, IOC.

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u/OkBoysenberry3399 Nov 08 '24

Russia was sanctioned and their country banned from the Olympics. I don’t understand how israel wasn’t. Oh wait they are “friends of the west”

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u/Express_Work Nov 08 '24

So was South Africa and they "were" a friend of the west. An easy hit, maybe. When all's said and done, none of the major powers haven't got their hands dirty, and politics is a dirty game played by dirty people.

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u/stylerTyler Nov 08 '24

Shameful that these terrorists are allowed to participate in sports events. They should be banned.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

No, the terror state of Israel.

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u/shrenal Nov 08 '24

Depends on who you ask. Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a minority of the world’s nations. Israel is recognized as a terrorist state by a majority of the worlds population.

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

I’m into some sick shit. I invite you to watch what Hamas does when it has the upper hand as it did for 12 hours once. As for a minority of nations… 3 “complete” continents all have them listed as terrorists. Plus others. It’s a powerful minority.

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u/shrenal Nov 08 '24

Hamas does nothing Israel doesn’t or hasn’t done. I invite you to do some research. Babies in ovens? Israel. Rape? Israel. Hostages? Israel. Killing pregnant women and taking the fetuses out of the womb? Israel. They do it all.

I know it’s a powerful minority. Still a minority of nations. Don’t be so quick to remember what these continents did to the global south and continue to do Lmao, there’s a reason colonial nations don’t represent their colonial subjects and they disagree on major issues.

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

So they both do it then? I don’t need to do research. I have a history degree.

They’re both doing inhumane acts. True. The numbers don’t matter though. One side needs to surrender. It’s an armed conflict and an ultimatum was given. Accept it or fight. That’s what happens.

Raping one or one thousand is still rape. The allies killed 10x the number of Germans than they killed us (Russia excluded) in ww2. Were we the baddies? The number of dead don’t matter. Stopping the conflict does. To stop the conflict you need to either surrender/accept terms, sue for peace or deliver accepted terms. This has not happened yet.

Both sides are horrible here.

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

Ask any rational  person. 

Hamas kidnaps and murders civilians at music festivals. 

 Israel attempts to. Ale sure that won’t happen again , and simply is not recognized as terrorists by the vast, vast majority of the planet. 

Some edgelords regurgitate what social Media tells them, and say thing like you are saying here.

But thats not rational.

Be smarter dude

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u/shrenal Nov 08 '24

When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian kids in the head people see that as terrorism. By definition I’m not sure that’s too far out from the truth. The same way many people critique the US as a terrorist state for their actions across the world.

Again, it’s really only the US, israel, the EU, and Australia that call Hamas a terrorist organization. To clarify, I do believe Hamas’s actions certainly fit the definition of terrorism. I just think Israel’s do too, and many people agree, even if the west continues to provide diplomatic support and whitewash Israel’s crimes.

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

Hamas brought those snipers out though right? They started a war in the stupidest fashion in modern history. Power for a 12 hour attack then hope tik tok will convince the world to stop the destruction of their organization. It’s crazy.

Imagine if Canada went across the border to rape and murder 1200. What would the response be? Hamas placed every single person under their care in mortal danger on purpose then refused to lay down their arms and disband when told to. So now they must be removed.

Israel gov is brutal and racist. Don’t rape them. We would all want our governments to react the same way if it happened to us.

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

Again, that’s not rational.

Again, ask any rational person. 

Stop whitewashing Hamas’ crimes. What’s wrong with you?

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u/Altaltshift Nov 08 '24

Israel kidnaps civilians from their beds in the West Bank (I'm emphasizing their crimes in the West Bank in this comment to show that it has nothing to do with Hamas) imprisons them without trial, has been shown by the UN to do systemic rapes of Palestinians in their prisons, or will simply shoot them (including shooting at least 3 peaceful Americans in the West Bank in the past year).

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

So why provoke them only to hide behind your in armed population? Israel gov is horrible. The west bank situation is cruel. I ask you to really put yourself in Israeli shoes though. Starting up after the holocaust being completely disillusioned of what humans are capable of. Immediately being told by all your neighbours that they are going to kill you. Having them immediately gang up and attack you with the goal being genocide.

Doing this 3 more times. All neighbours come together to try and kill you. The generation whose parents were burnt for giving up when attacked on all sides.

Being attacked on your national holiday twice. When the attacks fail they turn to guerilla tactics.

Financing hardliners to poke and attack whenever possible.

Then they poke too hard. You keep giving the land back and they keep attacking from it. They decide to fly silly little crafts into a music festival to kill the kids and young adults. They kill and rape and kidnap. Then beg for a ceasefire.

Just imagine it.

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u/NotGalenNorAnsel Nov 08 '24

And some people poorly regurgitate state sponsored propaganda. You're in the wrong place, friend. People here often actually read news and have an understanding of the history of the conflict. Israel might not be considered terrorists because they are a state, most of the world sees them as war criminals.

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

Yes, Russia is most definitely supporting the propaganda you are regurgitating. 

Again, be smarter dude.

Read the news. Hamas are literally holding Israeli civilians. Israel has every moral right to get them back and to remove any chance of it happening again.

Obviously.

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u/Haipul Nov 08 '24

No because they are terrorists, which is why Israel shouldn't be allowed either as they are pretty much the same as Hamas

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

TIL Fighting terrorist means you are a terrorist.

Jesus, dude. What’s wrong with you?

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u/Haipul Nov 08 '24

No, terrorists are those that use violence against civilians to gain political objectives. How is that not Israel?!?!

If you really don't like terrorism then you can't like Israel

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u/Consistent_Smile_289 Nov 09 '24

Hamas is a terrorist organisation

You can say that Israel is doing warcrimes but not a terrorist state

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u/Haipul Nov 09 '24

It is both, Israel is using indiscriminate violence against civilians to obtain political advantages.

But let's look at Israel MO bombing and tearing down blocks of civilian flats in areas that are not in conflict. Bombing third countries embassies in other states. Forcefully displacing the population, disrupting food supplies.

These are actions that the international community has always defined as terrorism, why can't we call it terrorism.

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

You’ve described Hamas.

Israel are fighting Hamas.

If you really don’t like terrorism then you must support Israel.

So.

Do you like terrorism or not?

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u/Haipul Nov 08 '24

Ok we get it you are a troll account.

But no I don't support terrorists and that includes Israel and Hamas, they are the same.

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

TIL fighting terrorism is terrorism.

What’s wrong with you?

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '24

What about all the palestinian hostages Israel has taken over the decades?

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u/newaccount Nov 08 '24

Yes, all none of those hostages should be returned

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u/SoberDuffman Nov 08 '24

You should post this on r/Jewish. They’re really digging into the victim card there saying that they are victims of antisemtic attacks because Maccabi fans only “pulled one flag down” and ignoring all the other shit stirring they did.

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u/KaiYoDei Nov 09 '24

Yeah, but that might Be called trolling

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

What do you think would be an appropriate reaction to the people that vandalized this? Should they be run over and beaten and thrown into a river too? https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/after-dc-pro-palestinian-protests-crews-clean-spray-paint-and-replace-american-flag/3674796/?amp=1

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u/DemocracySausage89 Nov 08 '24

Hey could you please give a bit more context about that video from Athens?

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24 edited Nov 08 '24

This video?

https://x.com/JalalAK_jojo/status/1765779337758830897

I don't know much else about it.

I do recall seeing the video when it was original published.

Here are search results from the month of March, with the keywords 'Maccabi' and 'Greece':

https://x.com/search?q=maccabi%20greece%20until%3A2024-03-31%20since%3A2024-03-01&src=typed_query&f=top

I follow this user on X and they reposted the video. The man being beaten by Maccabi fans is actually Egyptian, not Palestinian.

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1765797229267222999

https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1765845804307058769?t=SD91HjqHZYH2ZgdEihut9Q&s=19

Longer version which shows the initiation of violence by Maccabi fans:

https://x.com/EretzIsrael/status/1765894972199325970

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u/DemocracySausage89 Nov 08 '24

Thanks, mate. It's truly sickening

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u/Loud-Cry4015 Nov 09 '24

It's so fucking scary and horrible how much gaslighting is taking place rn by the MSM.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24

What?

The Israeli fans instigated the violence after arriving in the city and attacking Palestinian supporters before the match, an Amsterdam city council member said.

“They began attacking houses of people in Amsterdam with Palestinian flags, so that’s actually where the violence started,” councilman Jazie Veldhuyzen told Al Jazeera on Friday.

“As a reaction, Amsterdammers mobilised themselves and countered the attacks that started on Wednesday by the Maccabi hooligans.”

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

What do you think would be an appropriate reaction to the people that vandalized this? Should they be run over and beaten and thrown into a river too? https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/after-dc-pro-palestinian-protests-crews-clean-spray-paint-and-replace-american-flag/3674796/?amp=1

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 09 '24

I never supported the hooliganism in this incident. I certainly don't support the retaliation from the locals - but I also don't have to sympathize with Maccabi fans.

Maccabi fans initiated all of this and are abusive and racist.

Whatever it is you're crying about though, is something that Palestinians face 1000-fold from IOF and settlers.

There is no comparison.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

No no don’t play stupid now, you are supporting it don’t separate yourself now. It seems you have devolved the conversation and made it about the war in the middle east and not the vandalism and attacks on these two similar occasions. I will address this other subject since i know it’s hard for you to stay on track. So by your logic, no one else has to sympathize for the suffering of palestinians either? Does that sound right to you? Now I will not deny the war has brought suffering to the innocent, but you can’t forget to talk about the main culprits of the people’s suffering, which is a terrorist organization named Hamas. You are right, there is no comparison between the conflict in the middle east and this vandalism and attacks.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 09 '24

No, I'm not supporting it.

As I said, I do not sympathize with Maccabi fans.

They brought this drama to Amsterdam and they have a previous reputation of harassment and violence.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

Brother, look at your post history and comment history. You clearly support this, your purpose and intentions are clear. Which is fair, you are free to criticize but let me get to my point from the beginning when i linked you the article was to hopefully get you to understand that none of the attacks from neither side are right. If we all took an eye for an eye we would all be blind. We all need to unite and stand in the middle and call out attacks from both sides. Be fair and let’s work towards doing our part in stopping this conflict. We could be building skyscrapers in the moon if we all unite.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 09 '24

No, I don't.

get you to understand that none of the attacks from neither side are right.

Yea, I agree that this was hooliganism on both sides.

But it was instigated by the Maccabi fans. They said vile shit, harassed people, hurt people and vandalized personal property.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '24

I understand what you are saying about them being instigators but it still doesn’t justify violence. The people in the article I linked also harassed jews in university’s, they vandalized city’s, universities, statues and public property. They BURNED American flags and called for genocide of people and yet they didn’t end up beaten up, run over and thrown into a river. This isn’t a whataboutism i’m just highlighting that a violent response seems to be justified for a certain group of people and they are being called heroes.

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u/juicygoosy Nov 09 '24

How can we say that the same fans that disrupted the moments silence, and were tearing down Palestinian flags, were the ones to be targeted in the fights? The Israelis that were beaten may well have been innocent bystanders and done nothing wrong. They may not have been involved. Hunting down any Israeli in response to the actions of some is not right. It's thuggish behaviour. Labelling it as a pogrom though is probably not right either.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 09 '24

It's certainly true that we don't know who was attacked and whether they were also engaging in hooliganism.

I don't support this drama at all and I have no sympathy for football hooligans.

I just disagree with how it has been framed by pro-Israel ideologues and professionals (government, NGOs, activists etc.).

The roaming gang of Maccabi football fans attacked people as well and that should have been condemned - but it wasn't.

The Dutch king and the mayor of Amsterdam didn't say anything about it AFAIK.

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

When you say “attacking” Palestinian homes. Do you mean violence on Palestinian people and supporters? Or do you mean vandalism on property?

Cause I saw a lot of head kicks on one side. That same side seemed to be kicking people pleading that they weren’t Jewish.

Attacking property should not equal to attacking human beings. No matter how shitty they are acting.

The problem for me is the mob mentality that took over. Demanding to see people’s passports to not beat them. Then beating them anyway. It’s only going to get worse and won’t stop the idf.

In fact. What do you suppose idf soldiers reactions will be when hearing about this? As they go through Arab streets fully armed? Do you think this was helpful in anyway?

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24

When you say “attacking” Palestinian homes. Do you mean violence on Palestinian people and supporters? Or do you mean vandalism on property?

You are referring to the photographer's quote. I would re-read what she said.

As for direct attacks by Maccabi fans against other people - that is documented.

It's true that the mob mentality took over and there was also antisemitism.

But there was also anti-Arab racism and that happened first.

In Israel, it's common for people to dehumanize Palestinians by stripping of them of their national identity and simply describe them as 'Arabs' (intentionally as a monolith; so as to deny their claim to historic Palestine).

Supporters of Israel often reduce Israeli, American, pro-Israel, etc. political identity to just 'Jews' (when relevant) - which is antisemitic, but they're doing this to frame their political opponents as antisemitic.

The pro-Israel press does the same thing. It's emotional blackmail. Just like when the New York Post refers to IDF soldiers as 'teenage soldiers'. An attempt to reframe an identity for sympathy.

But with regards to the local mob that attacked some Maccabi fans, I agree they engaged in antisemitism to some extent. Certainly in the WhatsApp chat groups.

But the Maccabi fans were racist and genocidal and instigated all of this and the corporate media & politicians are not bringing up anything they said in a critical context.

In fact. What do you suppose idf soldiers reactions will be when hearing about this? As they go through Arab streets fully armed? Do you think this was helpful in anyway?

Your comment here sounds like one-sided criticism to me.

Maccabi fans harassed & attacked people and vandalized property. They instigated this drama.

The IOF is uploading their war crimes and they would be continuing to do so without the bullshit excuse and lie that is the current drama.

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u/DoonPlatoon84 Nov 08 '24

We don’t see anybody who was attacked by the maccabi though. I use the term arabs personally because they are currently boots on the ground in 3 Arab countries.

I’m not one sided on the issue but watching this demographic go soooo far in one direction that they are now aligned with terrorist groups and antisemites thinking they are on the high ground is insane to me.

People keep talking about the death toll but it doesn’t matter. One side attacked the other so they are now in conflict. Both sides can sue for peace. Both sides can give and take an ultimatum. Doesn’t matter who’s killing the most. One side has to surrender to the other or both decide to quit.

To me, the most honest and heroic thing Hamas can do is lay down their arms surrender and accept what they get. If the civilians keep getting killed after that you have an actual problem.

New issue being other nations came to the aid of Hamas. Now they too are involved and the same rules apply.

Never attack a stronger foe without a plan for attrition at the very least. This is just how it is.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24

We don’t see anybody who was attacked by the maccabi though.

Yes, we do. There are multiple videos online.

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u/Instantcoffees Nov 08 '24

We don’t see anybody who was attacked by the maccabi though. I use the term arabs personally because they are currently boots on the ground in 3 Arab countries.

Lmao, they extensively recorded themselves haha. Plus, the OP had a quote by a local official talking about how the violence started - namely due to Israeli supporters attacking houses.

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u/crooked_cat Nov 08 '24

Funny, just watched the statement from the mayor and head of police. I do Dutch . Al Jazeera was there too.

All this was not said like that lol, not even close. How words can be turned arround, and people believe it too as holy water.

Sad.

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u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Nov 08 '24

This story is now political.

They will act as though the Maccabi fans were innocent children.

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u/crooked_cat Nov 08 '24

Wel, the mayor is communist, not Jew friendly hhh You don’t know much about the Dutchlands it seems.

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u/Round-Friendship9318 Nov 08 '24

I cant tell if youre trying to be sarcastic or not.

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u/Express_Work Nov 08 '24

It would appear that you know even less. I suggest reading "Ajax, the Dutch, the war." Though I suspect you don't do a lot of reading.

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u/crooked_cat Nov 08 '24

Ah, the 1940’s. If you like soccer history, look up fc denhaag. You will be amazed.

Funny too that you react on a response to someone else, so I don’t really get what you are referring to in 1940/45 about a soccer club near the Jewish market.

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u/Express_Work Nov 09 '24

Another clueless one. This is about the spin placed on this. And how Ajax are an antisemitic club. Try to keep up, you're not as smart as you think you are.

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u/crooked_cat Nov 09 '24

Ajax.. antisemitic ? That would be a lie, I mist that part. How in the world can that be made to spin, those vids tell .. to much. You can’t pass that, impossible.