r/F1Game • u/IwishIwasDead__ • Jun 20 '24
Discussion how do i prevent this from happening
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u/TerrorSnow Jun 20 '24
Tyre pressures, not steering too much, not spinning tyres too much. Differential can help a bit too.
Ultimately you will wear one side, or even one corner, more than the rest. Just because of the nature of racetracks.
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u/Salty_Saltr Jun 20 '24
so does a lower pressure on the more used tire reduce wear or a high pressure?
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u/MrWillyP Jun 20 '24
Well, it's temp dependant, but usually in the f1 game, lower pressure reduces temp which will reduce wear.
Pressures are actually a balance, on how the tire interacts with the road. A softer pressure will provide more contact patch at the cost of roll speed and temperature. (Also wear pattern, you want wear to be more uniform, on a race track insides will wear more, oh the highway you want optimal pressure to spread wear across the whole tire, mostly controlled by camber but overfilled tires will wear the center more than the outsides, underfilled will wear the outsides more. Race cars intentionally underfill allowing for flex, less heat, and pressures rising)
Tire pressures would be higher at Monza than at Monaco, for example.
More wear in with less tire pressure would indicate to me locking or very high load on that tire in one corner. (High load increases temp, but if you're monitoring it well after that load and there's a bunch of easy corners after, it will lose temp)
In general oversteer setups will burn more rear, understeer will burn more fronts.
The wear I see in the picture indicates a track with high right hand turn loads and lesser left turn loads. And there's definitely been some locking. Honestly I'm trying to figure out which track this was. China or Spain maybe?
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u/LiesKill984 Jun 21 '24
red bull ring only 2 left turns
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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24
Good shout, could be it but the corners aren't super tire killing on yhe right hand that I can think of, nothing super prolonged at least
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u/DlSSATISFIEDGAMER Jun 21 '24
silverstone perhaps? i'd say it has more fast right-handers than left
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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24
That one makes sense, especially if he's been locking a tire
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u/DlSSATISFIEDGAMER Jun 21 '24
copse and stowe i know are extremely loading on the left hand tyres. and the becketts-chapel right-hander turn is probably not too easy on the tyres either. Oh and Abbey which like copse can be taken flat out but only barely
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u/CottonXDS Jun 21 '24
Lower pressures now increase tire temp as it should do, unlike previous games.
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u/Vaporishmoon98 Jun 21 '24
This is wrong. Lower pressure means higher temps meaning more wear. You want more pressure to reduce temps as less of the tire touches the track at one time.
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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24
... less contact patch can cause wheel spin or locking which will in tern cause more temperature buildup, and uneven wear across the tire. The f1 game only measures wear on a single point. So temperature buildup is the main concern.
Functionally in the f1 game you always run less arb/downforce/tire pressure (and kinda toe, but iirc the fast guys didn't use much anyway, I've stopped the f1 games since 21 due to some incompatibilities of my setup to the game) for temperature control. If you run more pressure at Monaco you're going to have a bad day keeping tires in check.
As with everything, there is an operating window IRL and pressures actually go hand in hand with suspension setup to achieve the greatest amount of contact with the road across the most amount of corners.
Sliding a tire is WAY worse for heat than having it grip to the road, and stiffer tires have less bend, which will less grip, and more heat.
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u/Vaporishmoon98 Jun 21 '24
From testing it on the new game, lower pressure means more tire wear. I’ve had to increase pressure at every track to keep the tires from overheating.
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u/Moromoomoo Jun 20 '24
Lower tire pressure --> higher contact area --> higher temps and more grip --> more wear (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
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u/Grasshop Jun 20 '24
Other way around. More grip = less wear. Higher pressures will actually increase temps, not the other way around, and less grip means the tire is sliding more which increases wear
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u/llllGodly Jun 20 '24
I think that was true in the last game, this one I believe its been proven that higher psi got lower temps. I think brendon leigh had a video on that, but forgot if that was before or after the handling update.
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u/SquishTheProgrammer Jun 21 '24
Higher PSI does give lower temps in 24. Was working on a setup yesterday and discovered this.
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u/Ambitious-Equipment1 Jun 20 '24
so just run empty tires for best grip and best temperatures? In sims higher pressures keep your tires cooler but offer less grip
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u/Ascoplan_Qwerty Jun 20 '24
Jarno Opmeer solved this mystery on the 24 game, he is the best source to confirm
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u/Armando22nl Jun 20 '24
Solved the mystery or was it "concluded it works the wrong way" In the game?
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u/TerrorSnow Jun 20 '24
Depends. Lower pressure will make the tyre flex more and has a bigger contact patch, generating more heat. Higher pressure has less flex, smaller contact patch, less heat, but overall lower grip.
On one hand you wanna keep your tyres in the proper temperature. On the other you wanna make sure you don't slide them.
As a general rule of thumb, I increase the pressure of the tyres that will see more load. So on a clockwise track, usually the left tyres.
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u/Ok_Formal4556 Jun 21 '24
The higher the pressure the lower the grip and the lower the wear. If you start to slip and spin the tires because you don’t have grip the wear goes up. So you have to find the sweet spot.
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u/Maleficent-Load9435 Jun 20 '24
You cannot prevent but you can limit wear. You cannot prevent because the track, dictates which side will wear more, that’s just physics cannot change that. You can limit by having smoother driving inputs, adjusting setup and/or tyre pressures.
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u/Sacr3dangel Jun 20 '24
Take the oval the other way. That the way they’re meant to be driven in the first place!
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u/dingydongkingykong Jun 20 '24
I don’t know which F1 YouTuber it is but someone put out a video breaking down tyre wear in F1 24, cant recommend it enough
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u/jamesz84 Jun 20 '24
If you don’t want to excessive wear your tyres try wearing a nice pair of slacks for a couple of laps instead.
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u/CammyPooo Jun 20 '24
Chamber and toe make a huge difference in tyre wear
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u/Annenji Jul 08 '24
Should it be more toe in or out in these situations?
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u/CammyPooo Jul 08 '24
That depends on the track, since f1 doesn’t show you what part of the tyre is wearing faster you kind of have to use your judgment. Is it a lot of high speed right handers? If so you want more chamber to roll onto that tyre (generally). Is it a tighter track that requires snappier turn in? If so you’ll want a bit more toe
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u/xiii-Dex Jun 20 '24
The outside tire isn't the one that locks up. This looks more like fighting understeer or turning the wheel too much in right corners.
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u/hughxthexhand Jun 21 '24
You on crack? Clockwise tracks always wear the left side more, in any car.
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u/irm555bvs Jun 20 '24
I face exactly the same issue and most tracks.
Changing Steering input doesn’t seem to have made a difference for me.
Next up is to reduce tyre pressures on the right (to get some heat and try even out the where for more stability). Then try different braking methods along with diff.
If anyone finds anything better please do share.
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u/rajivv21 Jun 20 '24
Tbf, I understand the annoyance but it is fairly more realslistic to real life f1...at each track one side of the tyres always wear more than the other due to the direction of the track. Most clockwise tracks will cause left side tyre wear and the opposite for anticlockwise tracks. I quite like they added this realism since it makes strategy more important regarding pit stops.
Apparently, even though i haven't raced at a wet track yet, during a wet race, if the tires are overheating, you can finally move to the wet part of the track to cool the tyres like they do in real life. I'm yet to try this myself to see if its true
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u/rabbidplatypus21 Jun 20 '24
Hold up…moving to a wet part of the track didn’t cool your tires prior to 2024? Even though Jeff/Mark will come on the radio and specifically tell you to cool your tires that way?
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u/YoungChipolte Jun 20 '24
Just another thing in a long list of things that should have been in the games for years.
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u/FSUfan35 Jun 20 '24
Yea I skipped 23 but in 22 it definitely cooled your tires. You could have it open and see it when you drove through the wet sections of the track
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u/freerangehumans74 Jun 20 '24
Hold up...you had jeff/mark tell you to move to the wet part of the track? I've never had that msg.
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u/rabbidplatypus21 Jun 20 '24
Yeah I don’t remember the exact wording but if you tried to hang out on inters after the rain stopped and you cooked them, he’d say something about moving off the racing line or finding a damp part on the straights.
Edit: I only actually remember it with Jeff, so they may not have given Mark a similar voice line.
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u/Critical-Box-1851 Jun 20 '24
You need to change your tyre pressure - harder on the left ort softer on the right to balance it out.
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u/alc3biades Jun 20 '24
Have you been rubbing the left side of the car on the barriers? That does extra damage to the tyres and you’ll notice this happens sometimes on street circuits
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Jun 20 '24
with any car, the most pressure will always be on the outside wheels when making a corner, if a racetrack has more turns to the right than to the left you can have uneven wear.
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u/Proof-Advantage1384 Jun 20 '24
Learn about Neutral steer will help you loads with tire wear and understanding how to point the car with minimal steering input and do the rest with the pedals. We steer more with the brake and throttle than just the wheel itself self.
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u/Bhoedda Jun 20 '24
Driving on a different track should change to way your tires wear down. You could also try and drive some laps in reverse to even it out
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u/MasterLinkTheGreat Jun 20 '24
Well is you mess up one corner very bad. It will wear the tyre a lot. Then it will be harder to turn meaning more tyre wear and this progressively worse until you change your tyres.
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u/unused04 Jun 21 '24
Get F1 2017 or f1 2020 or f1 2023.... and do t touch 24.. that's how you fix it. The game is broken.
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u/RicardoPetrere Jun 21 '24
My take:
It's a bug. I mean, we do have differences in tyre wear and all that, but to this level? It must be an issue in the game.
I remember in the early stages of F1 23, the tyre wear was too excessive, and later they fixed it to a more reasonable rate
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u/OJK_postaukset Jun 21 '24
I can tell that even simulators (ACC) overheat the other side tyres, especially at Brands Hatch the left tyres overheat and wear very much. So why not in even more tyre sensitive cars as well?
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u/Specialist_Drag_3478 Jun 23 '24
You literally can’t. If you push, on some tracks one side of the car just has more degradation
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u/zward0522 Jun 20 '24
In F1 24 the tires do not wear evenly, just like in real life. Setups can help manage it, but it's ultimately inevitable.
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u/Killun0va Jun 20 '24
Something in the comments that has been frustrating me about this game is that people are just acting like this is normal. This didn’t happen in F1 23 and on controller at least there is no way to stop it no matter how high you put your tyre pressure
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u/Previous-Amoeba-7900 Jun 20 '24
your comment kinda confuse me,
idk if tyre wear irl is this extreme, but one side of the tyre wear more than the other is normal irl
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u/sem56 Jun 20 '24
right... so F1 23 was normal...
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u/Previous-Amoeba-7900 Jun 20 '24
well he think so, but it shouldnt be, f1 24 tyrewear should be the closer to irl than f1 23, but they havent introduce flat spot
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u/sem56 Jun 20 '24
yeah 23 it always just wore evenly which isn't correct at all, 24 probably could dial it down a little bit but its more realistic in terms of concentrated wear based on the corners you take and how fast
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u/SKWezz Jun 20 '24
Because it is normal bro. Don't compare with Previous Games as they were further from Reality.
Same as Lower Pressures causing more Heat. Ultimately Lower & Higher can but nothing in F1 is simple enough to Isolate these things. So many variables
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u/SEHS42 Jun 20 '24
The game is broken
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u/APessimisticCow Jun 20 '24
Can't really use this as an example though. You have to do more than just "drive" in this game, you have to think more about how you drive and setup the car. It is very normal that one side wears more than the other. See this photo on inters for example. It's a good example because you can very clearly see the difference on worn wets/inters. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/q8uepd/the_difference_in_tyre_wear_between_left_front/
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u/SapCPark Jun 20 '24
Some tracks punish one side a lot more than the other. If you are turning right a lot more than left, this will happen
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u/Ishatthebedonpurpose Jun 20 '24
Turn left!