r/F1Game Jun 20 '24

Discussion how do i prevent this from happening

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u/TerrorSnow Jun 20 '24

Tyre pressures, not steering too much, not spinning tyres too much. Differential can help a bit too.
Ultimately you will wear one side, or even one corner, more than the rest. Just because of the nature of racetracks.

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u/Salty_Saltr Jun 20 '24

so does a lower pressure on the more used tire reduce wear or a high pressure?

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u/MrWillyP Jun 20 '24

Well, it's temp dependant, but usually in the f1 game, lower pressure reduces temp which will reduce wear.

Pressures are actually a balance, on how the tire interacts with the road. A softer pressure will provide more contact patch at the cost of roll speed and temperature. (Also wear pattern, you want wear to be more uniform, on a race track insides will wear more, oh the highway you want optimal pressure to spread wear across the whole tire, mostly controlled by camber but overfilled tires will wear the center more than the outsides, underfilled will wear the outsides more. Race cars intentionally underfill allowing for flex, less heat, and pressures rising)

Tire pressures would be higher at Monza than at Monaco, for example.

More wear in with less tire pressure would indicate to me locking or very high load on that tire in one corner. (High load increases temp, but if you're monitoring it well after that load and there's a bunch of easy corners after, it will lose temp)

In general oversteer setups will burn more rear, understeer will burn more fronts.

The wear I see in the picture indicates a track with high right hand turn loads and lesser left turn loads. And there's definitely been some locking. Honestly I'm trying to figure out which track this was. China or Spain maybe?

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u/LiesKill984 Jun 21 '24

red bull ring only 2 left turns

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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24

Good shout, could be it but the corners aren't super tire killing on yhe right hand that I can think of, nothing super prolonged at least

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u/DlSSATISFIEDGAMER Jun 21 '24

silverstone perhaps? i'd say it has more fast right-handers than left

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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24

That one makes sense, especially if he's been locking a tire

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u/DlSSATISFIEDGAMER Jun 21 '24

copse and stowe i know are extremely loading on the left hand tyres. and the becketts-chapel right-hander turn is probably not too easy on the tyres either. Oh and Abbey which like copse can be taken flat out but only barely

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u/CottonXDS Jun 21 '24

Lower pressures now increase tire temp as it should do, unlike previous games.

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u/Vaporishmoon98 Jun 21 '24

This is wrong. Lower pressure means higher temps meaning more wear. You want more pressure to reduce temps as less of the tire touches the track at one time.

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u/MrWillyP Jun 21 '24

... less contact patch can cause wheel spin or locking which will in tern cause more temperature buildup, and uneven wear across the tire. The f1 game only measures wear on a single point. So temperature buildup is the main concern.

Functionally in the f1 game you always run less arb/downforce/tire pressure (and kinda toe, but iirc the fast guys didn't use much anyway, I've stopped the f1 games since 21 due to some incompatibilities of my setup to the game) for temperature control. If you run more pressure at Monaco you're going to have a bad day keeping tires in check.

As with everything, there is an operating window IRL and pressures actually go hand in hand with suspension setup to achieve the greatest amount of contact with the road across the most amount of corners.

Sliding a tire is WAY worse for heat than having it grip to the road, and stiffer tires have less bend, which will less grip, and more heat.

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u/Vaporishmoon98 Jun 21 '24

From testing it on the new game, lower pressure means more tire wear. I’ve had to increase pressure at every track to keep the tires from overheating.

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u/Moromoomoo Jun 20 '24

Lower tire pressure --> higher contact area --> higher temps and more grip --> more wear (someone correct me if I'm wrong)

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u/Salty_Saltr Jun 20 '24

sounds to me like you said the same thing as the guy above so yeah

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u/Grasshop Jun 20 '24

Other way around. More grip = less wear. Higher pressures will actually increase temps, not the other way around, and less grip means the tire is sliding more which increases wear

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u/llllGodly Jun 20 '24

I think that was true in the last game, this one I believe its been proven that higher psi got lower temps. I think brendon leigh had a video on that, but forgot if that was before or after the handling update.

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u/SquishTheProgrammer Jun 21 '24

Higher PSI does give lower temps in 24. Was working on a setup yesterday and discovered this.

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u/Ambitious-Equipment1 Jun 20 '24

so just run empty tires for best grip and best temperatures? In sims higher pressures keep your tires cooler but offer less grip

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u/Ascoplan_Qwerty Jun 20 '24

Jarno Opmeer solved this mystery on the 24 game, he is the best source to confirm

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u/Armando22nl Jun 20 '24

Solved the mystery or was it "concluded it works the wrong way" In the game?

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u/Ascoplan_Qwerty Jun 20 '24

whatever the case may be, he has an experienced answer to your problem

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u/TerrorSnow Jun 20 '24

Depends. Lower pressure will make the tyre flex more and has a bigger contact patch, generating more heat. Higher pressure has less flex, smaller contact patch, less heat, but overall lower grip.

On one hand you wanna keep your tyres in the proper temperature. On the other you wanna make sure you don't slide them.

As a general rule of thumb, I increase the pressure of the tyres that will see more load. So on a clockwise track, usually the left tyres.

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u/Salty_Saltr Jun 20 '24

okay, interesting, thank you

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u/Ok_Formal4556 Jun 21 '24

The higher the pressure the lower the grip and the lower the wear. If you start to slip and spin the tires because you don’t have grip the wear goes up. So you have to find the sweet spot.

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u/ThorburnJ Jun 20 '24

So you're saying he should only drive Suzuka?