r/BoomersBeingFools • u/DappyHayes • 17d ago
Disillusioned NYC Leaders Feel the Social Contract Shattered After Jordan Neely's Chokehold Death by Daniel Penny, a Trained Marine Sargent
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u/Ashamed-Isopod-2624 17d ago
Where were his supporters when he was alive?
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u/Any_Palpitation6467 17d ago
Oh, they were incapable of caring any less about him than they did. Suddenly, though, now that he's dead, he was a literal paragon of virtue, a sure breadwinner, an asset to every gathering and a sheer joy to have around. And, just maybe, he's worth a couple hundred thousand dollars more dead than he ever was when alive to his grieving next-of-kin--the same ones who shunned him when he was around.
But we're not supposed to think that.
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u/Paul_Nosensteinfried 16d ago
Given his rap sheet, probably avoiding being in public spaces with him.
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u/pmw1981 16d ago
Blame the cops, Penny released the choke hold when police got there & Neely was still alive, albeit unconscious. It was the COPS who didn't get him medical attention in time & were responsible for his death, not Penny. But that don't fit the BLM narrative so they won't bother looking at the facts or educating themselves on what really happened.
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u/RoosterontheSpectrum 17d ago
This has nothing to do with boomers. A marines incompetence of choke holds caused him to kill a mentally distressed man.
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u/ChanceAd3606 17d ago edited 17d ago
A marines incompetence of choke holds caused him to kill a mentally distressed man.
I think you're mistaken. What actually happened was a violent man with 42 previous arrests, including being convicted of sucker punching a 67 year old woman, breaking her nose and shattering her orbital bone, lost his life because he was threatening to kill people on the subway.
Neely plead guilty to assaulting that 67 year old woman in exchange for a sentence that didn't send him to prison, but instead to a mental health facility where he could rehabilitate. Neely fled from the mental health facility and refused to show up for his return court date.
"A mentally distressed man". No, it was a violent man who was failed by his father (abandoned his son even after the child's mother was murdered) and also failed by the city of NY DA office for not locking him up in jail a long time ago.
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u/New-Sky-9867 16d ago
Yep. Prison is full of crappy, violent asshole people like that guy. FAFO. I'm not glad he's dead but I'm glad society is now safe from him.
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u/Calculagraph 17d ago edited 17d ago
I like the part in the middle where you reinforce that he was having a mental health crisis.
You editorialized it a bit, but you aptly described a man fighting with his disorder. I've definitely walked out of a few therapy sessions I knew I needed at the time; but I wasn't driving.
Beyond any of this, are you trying to say that Dudly Dowrong knew about Neely's past actions, the ones you think deserve death as punishment? Because he's a former marine, not a cop, so I doubt it. Plus we have a whole court and appeals process that is supposed to come before executions. That's murder.
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u/4Z4Z47 17d ago
I agree. The mental health crisis caused his death.
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u/Own-Weather-9919 16d ago
Pretty sure it was the guy who choked him for 6 minutes.
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u/4Z4Z47 16d ago
If the guy had a mental "crisis" on the subway and was threatening or attacking your mom, would you feel the same?
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u/buku43v3r 15d ago
He won’t respond to this at all and we all know it because we all know his real answer and it doesn’t line up with how he wants us to perceive him.
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u/ChanceAd3606 17d ago
I like the part in the middle where you reinforce that he was having a mental health crisis.
Millions of people have mental health issues and crises, but don't do these things. Having a mental health problem isn't an excuse to threaten to kill people. Also, to what extent does the public have to deal with harassment and threats of murder, because someone has a mental health problem?
You editorialized it a bit, but you aptly described a man fighting with his disorder.
What part of my comment was 'editorialized' and not a statement of fact?
I've definitely walked out of a few therapy sessions I knew I needed at the time; but I wasn't driving.
I don't care who you claim was 'driving'. You're responsible for your own actions and people don't have to put themselves in harms way because you can't seem to accept the help you need. Do you think we should make forced institutionalization legal again so someone could have locked you in an asylum rather than letting you walk out?
Beyond any of this, are you trying to say that Dudly Dowrong knew about Neely's past actions, the ones you think deserve death as punishment?
No, wtf makes you think that? It's actually the exact opposite. I think Daniel Penny had no idea the guy who was threatening to murder people on the subway had a mental health problem. I think he just viewed him as another violent individual that was using violence to threaten people and decided to defend those people. I think Neely's actions that day are why Penny was justified in using lethal force to subdue Neely.
Plus we have a whole court and appeals process that is supposed to come before executions.
He wasn't executed you ding dong. Neely didn't even die on the subway, nor did he die when Penny had him in a chokehold. He died while in custody of the police/paramedics.
That's murder.
No, it's not. Murder requires the killing to be both unlawful and premeditated. Neither of those things describe Penny's actions.
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u/Calculagraph 17d ago
Murder requires the killing to be both unlawful and premeditated.
Well, he's not a cop, again, (even if he were, lethal force is still inappropriate) and he had a few minutes to decide he didn't want to kill a man, but made the other choice. I don't know how one posesses multiple brain cells and comes to the conclusion that this was a lawful, spontaneous, action.
You're again editorializing events we have on film. You know you're being disingenuous, but I'm confused as to why you're acting like you're stupid and pretending that you don't know where you're exaggerating for effect. Regardless, you're not worth any more of my time.
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u/Rude_Poem_7608 16d ago
The "not a cop" argument falls flat on it's face when you consider, quite literally, the police's job is to investigate crimes and enforce laws which sometimes the byproduct is your safety, but our defense and/or immediate defense of those less capable is always in our hands.
Giving the government a monopoly on violence, whether justified or not, is pure fricking tyranny.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Zoomer 2d ago
I have my own mental illnesses myself, but still. I'm going to see shit like this in the regards of being a young woman myself. I mean, I've actually had psychotic episodes in the past and I have hurt people too. I put the responsibility parlty squarely on myself.
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u/a3wagner 16d ago
And of course, Daniel Penny knew all of this when he choked him out.
Oh no wait, of course he fucking didn't, and he could have been killing any random person who was having a mental breakdown at the time.
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u/jmmmke 17d ago
And typically, Boomers love lethal vigilante violence against minorities
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Neely was an active threat to the other passengers, including many ethnic minorities. Daniel Penny is a hero but because of your Woke worldview everything is filtered through your "oppressor/oppressed" framework. People are treated not as individuals with equal intrinsic moral worth but as members of various identity groups whose worth depends on where they fall on the Woke hierarchy.
Your worldview really is despicable and antithetical to liberalism.
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u/BewareOfBee 17d ago
Woke is something Fox made up to scare you. Grow up dude.
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u/doctorsnowohno 17d ago
Their attempts at dialogue are so fucking creepy. Speaking on others' worldviews while inhaling right-wing bullshit. I'm sure 'liberalism' will work out great for him.
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u/jmmmke 17d ago
All I did was point out that vigilante justice is something that boomers love and this dope writes a buzzword opinion piece for Breitbart
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u/ChanceAd3606 17d ago
What's your point though? Everyone loves vigilante justice.
Just look at all the praise the guy who murdered the Health Insurance CEO is getting. Those are young people praising him, not the elderly.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Zoomer 2d ago edited 2d ago
Many young people don't praise him actually. It's mainly gen x and millennials who do. We both don't condone but don't condemn what Neely did either. However, social media makes it look differently but only maybe 50% of us support Mangione.
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Daniel Penny wasn't trying to kill Jordan Neely. This wasn't a vigilante trying to kill or punish someone for their crimes (real or imagined), it was a Good Samaritan and a few helpers working together to neutralize a very real threat until the police could take over. My point is that the creeps here are upset that Penny wasn't convicted not because Penny is guilty (he is innocent of any and all crimes and should be commended for his actions) but because of where he and the guy who died fall on the "Woke" hierarchy.
Things will not get better if people like you refuse to understand what's going on.
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u/Ecstatic-Square2158 15d ago
So then what term are people allowed to use for left identity politics? Or are you just trying to gaslight him?
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u/BewareOfBee 15d ago
Is that what it means to you? Seems to just mean generally "The shit I hate".
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u/Ecstatic-Square2158 15d ago
That’s what it means to everyone. That’s the definition of the word.
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u/BewareOfBee 15d ago
So country music is woke now?
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u/Ecstatic-Square2158 15d ago
No? What the fuck are you talking about?
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u/BewareOfBee 15d ago
Honestly aren't yall bored yet? Like who gives a shit anymore.
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Educate yourself. Left liberals like Bari Weiss, Andrew Sullivan and Bill Maher understand that Woke is a thing. I don't watch Fox News.
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u/BewareOfBee 17d ago
No, educate me. Give me examples of what you belive woke to be. I don't know who Bill Mahr is.
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u/Careless_Yellow_3218 17d ago
The fact that you called Bill Maher, a right-leaning Libertarian on his best day, a liberal tells me you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
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u/Unique-Charity-9564 17d ago
Rofl Bill Maher? Seriously? Woke is something you made up you chicken shit.
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u/conker123110 17d ago
Please define woke
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u/ChanceAd3606 17d ago
It's an ideology that forces every and all interactions and altercations to be viewed through the lens of race, nationality, or sexuality.
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u/conker123110 17d ago
I got a completely different definition from the person I was talking to. Where do you get yours?
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u/ChanceAd3606 17d ago
It's the definition in my own words. If you want the Webster dictionary definition:
aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
Not exactly the same as my definition, but pretty damn close.
My question is, how do you NOT know what woke means at this point? Do you live under a rock?
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u/conker123110 17d ago edited 17d ago
Not exactly the same as my definition, but pretty damn close.
No, that's wrong.
It's an ideology that forces every and all interactions and altercations to be viewed through the lens of race, nationality, or sexuality.
aware ofand actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)
Being aware and attentive is very much different from being forced.
Also can I ask what merit your definition of a word is?
My question is, how do you NOT know what woke means at this point? Do you live under a rock?
It's called a prodding question, to get you to reveal the fact you apparently have your own definitions for words...
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Woke is the inversion of every real and perceived hierarchy. The application of moral, legal and other standards and privileges depends on where a person or group falls in this hierarchy. White "cisgendered" Jewish males are of course the ultimate oppressors in Woke ideology.
Wokeness is a dialectical "third way" between fascism and Communism and thus has elements of fascism in that it blends state, corporate, and NGO power to achieve its aims. One more similarity is the justification of violence (see the Woke support for the BLM riots and insurrections, the Antifa violence, the Trump assassination attempts, and the murder of the United Healthcare CEO). Another similarity is of course the totalitarian nature of the ideology.
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u/conker123110 17d ago
Wokeness is a dialectical "third way" between fascism and Communism and thus has elements of fascism in that it blends state, corporate, and NGO power to achieve its aims.
Please elaborate further on this.
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Nah, that's the definition. Chris Rufo, who grew up in a leftist family, wrote a very good book about this called "America's Cultural Revolution". You could also read that.
For daily reads I suggest your straight news from reputable straight news sources, but your opinion news needs to be entirely from those who understand that both sides are bad. Not all will explicitly say it all the time but an intelligent person can get the gist. This means you can get populist right-wing opinion-based news from Ben Shapiro, religious right opinion-based news from Rod Dreher, center-right opinion-based news from The Dispatch, opinion-based centrist news from The Free Press, center-left opinion-based news from Andrew Sullivan, and left liberal opinion-based news from someone along the lines of Glenn Greenwald. If you are like most redditors and are not a fan of reading then I guess you can watch Bill Maher's "Club Random" podcast or something.
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u/conker123110 17d ago
Nah, that's the definition.
Weird, because someone else is also arguing a completely different definition.
More so I want you to elaborate on on "Wokeness is a dialectical "third way" between fascism and Communism"
If you don't want to argue your point that's fine, in fact it proves my point all the better, but I really don't know where you got that diatribe from...
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u/Giant_Jackfruit 17d ago
Read Chris Rufo's book. The roots of all of this are in various leftists from the 60s retreating to the institutions and, in a nod to Mao, embarking on a "long march through the institutions". Unrepentant terrorists, including some who later launched Barack Obama's political career, retreated to the universities and sought tenured positions. I'm not here to rewrite books. Educate yourself.
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u/conker123110 17d ago edited 17d ago
Read Chris Rufo's book.
I'm currently talking to you, please use the knowledge and supporting evidence that you have to argue your point.
If you want to quote or otherwise use the book for your argument feel free.
I'm not here to rewrite books. Educate yourself.
I'm simply asking you to give your reasoning, if you read and understood the book that you are so confident about then you should be able to argue in its favor.
replying and blocking me also proves my point, thanks. You failed miserably at defending your fake definition so now you're throwing a fit and telling me to "go do your own research!"
In reality you likely haven't even read the book if you can't even quote it once in support of your point. Sad!
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u/Fresh-Wealth-8397 16d ago
Damn dawg where can I get some of what you're smoking? I love your total disconnect from reality vibe you got
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u/FirstCarrot2268 17d ago
Aussie here. We had an interesting story recently where a black man, who was recently released from prison from repetitive violent crimes committed an armed home invasion. He entered with a machete and the homeowner ended his life.
Not because he was black, but because he was commuting an act of violence. How is this any different.
Black man was violent and a white man ended his life protect himself and other innocent civilians. It's not racism, it's just a fact of life. Fuck around and find out. Both blacks found out I guess
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u/gerber68 16d ago
The man was restrained and no longer a threat but the dude continued to keep him in the chokehold which led to his death.
Do you understand excessive force?
Do you think that someone who is restrained and no longer a threat deserves death?
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Zoomer 2d ago
I think they need to read the room. Look at what happened 2 days ago.
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u/New-Sky-9867 16d ago
Marines are trained to kill, so look alike his training kicked in rather effectively here.
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u/Prior_Association602 16d ago
I disagree. I believe you should educate your children and your family to know what the laws are and how to operate within them and if you are to step outside of those laws, cooperation is probably the best bet. If not, I would expect this to happen to anyone not just a black guy.
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