Disillusioned NYC Leaders Feel the Social Contract Shattered After Jordan Neely's Chokehold Death by Daniel Penny, a Trained Marine Sargent

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A marines incompetence of choke holds caused him to kill a mentally distressed man.

I think you're mistaken. What actually happened was a violent man with 42 previous arrests, including being convicted of sucker punching a 67 year old woman, breaking her nose and shattering her orbital bone, lost his life because he was threatening to kill people on the subway.

Neely plead guilty to assaulting that 67 year old woman in exchange for a sentence that didn't send him to prison, but instead to a mental health facility where he could rehabilitate. Neely fled from the mental health facility and refused to show up for his return court date.

"A mentally distressed man". No, it was a violent man who was failed by his father (abandoned his son even after the child's mother was murdered) and also failed by the city of NY DA office for not locking him up in jail a long time ago.

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I like the part in the middle where you reinforce that he was having a mental health crisis.

You editorialized it a bit, but you aptly described a man fighting with his disorder. I've definitely walked out of a few therapy sessions I knew I needed at the time; but I wasn't driving.

Beyond any of this, are you trying to say that Dudly Dowrong knew about Neely's past actions, the ones you think deserve death as punishment? Because he's a former marine, not a cop, so I doubt it. Plus we have a whole court and appeals process that is supposed to come before executions. That's murder.

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I like the part in the middle where you reinforce that he was having a mental health crisis.

Millions of people have mental health issues and crises, but don't do these things. Having a mental health problem isn't an excuse to threaten to kill people. Also, to what extent does the public have to deal with harassment and threats of murder, because someone has a mental health problem?

You editorialized it a bit, but you aptly described a man fighting with his disorder.

What part of my comment was 'editorialized' and not a statement of fact?

I've definitely walked out of a few therapy sessions I knew I needed at the time; but I wasn't driving.

I don't care who you claim was 'driving'. You're responsible for your own actions and people don't have to put themselves in harms way because you can't seem to accept the help you need. Do you think we should make forced institutionalization legal again so someone could have locked you in an asylum rather than letting you walk out?

Beyond any of this, are you trying to say that Dudly Dowrong knew about Neely's past actions, the ones you think deserve death as punishment?

No, wtf makes you think that? It's actually the exact opposite. I think Daniel Penny had no idea the guy who was threatening to murder people on the subway had a mental health problem. I think he just viewed him as another violent individual that was using violence to threaten people and decided to defend those people. I think Neely's actions that day are why Penny was justified in using lethal force to subdue Neely.

Plus we have a whole court and appeals process that is supposed to come before executions.

He wasn't executed you ding dong. Neely didn't even die on the subway, nor did he die when Penny had him in a chokehold. He died while in custody of the police/paramedics.

That's murder.

No, it's not. Murder requires the killing to be both unlawful and premeditated. Neither of those things describe Penny's actions.

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Murder requires the killing to be both unlawful and premeditated.

Well, he's not a cop, again, (even if he were, lethal force is still inappropriate) and he had a few minutes to decide he didn't want to kill a man, but made the other choice. I don't know how one posesses multiple brain cells and comes to the conclusion that this was a lawful, spontaneous, action. 

You're again editorializing events we have on film. You know you're being disingenuous, but I'm confused as to why you're acting like you're stupid and pretending that you don't know where you're exaggerating for effect. Regardless, you're not worth any more of my time.

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The "not a cop" argument falls flat on it's face when you consider, quite literally, the police's job is to investigate crimes and enforce laws which sometimes the byproduct is your safety, but our defense and/or immediate defense of those less capable is always in our hands.

Giving the government a monopoly on violence, whether justified or not, is pure fricking tyranny.