⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡ VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE THUNNNNNNDAHDOME ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

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NO MODS

NO GODS

HIDE YOUR COUCHES

THAT'S RIGHT

IT'S TIME FOR THE VP DEBATE

[u/fragileblink → u/[deleted]]

I think the prep teams overload them with facts and figures that journalists pretend to care about, but not regular people. There's definitely more of a purity view on that side, which leaves less room to speak freely. When I hear them speak it is like an awkward mixture of what they would naturally say and what they are supposed to say.

[u/p-s-chili → u/fragileblink]

This is 100% what's happening. If you look at them speaking normally and then speaking at a debate, you can literally see them trying to balance all the various facts and figures while weaving them into a narrative on the fly. Once they get past their first couple of answers, they tend to shake off all the stuff that's been packed into their head and instead focus on crafting a narrative, which leads to them finding a groove and speaking well.

I've participated in debate prep on a much smaller scale (congressional and lower), and nearly every democratic operative I've ever worked with was hellbent on filling the candidate's head with as many snippets of facts and figures as possible. The people prepping our candidates are so up their own asses about proving they're smart that they're actively setting up our candidates to stumble out of the gate.

[u/HOU_Civil_Econ → u/fragileblink]

This was clearly what was going on with walz at first. Struggling to remember everything he had memorized.

[u/TheWizardOfDeez → u/[deleted]]

There's a lot more pressure on them to deliver since they are bound by silly little things like facts and standards, while Republican candidates can just say literally whatever the fuck they want with no consequences because the news media will just sane-wash their words and treat them with the kiddie gloves.

[u/murphysfriend → u/TheWizardOfDeez]

Thankfully; Just the facts Ma’am’

[u/please_trade_marner → u/TheWizardOfDeez]

It's the opposite. No matter what the Republicans say and do, the mainstream media will smear them. So they don't really have anything to lose. Democrats, however, will be treated with kids gloves by the media.. unless they really fuck up bad and then their whole establishment turns against them (like with Biden in June). So they're terrified.

[u/please_trade_marner → u/[deleted]]

That "fact checking" moment was a hilarious moment in the history of our media.

They "fact check" him with misleading information. When he starts highlighting the complexity of the situation that they massively oversimplified, they cut his mic and condescendingly say "thank you for explaining how immigration works".

Honestly, it top to bottom highlights the mainstream media in 2024. This is what the last debate would look like in 1984 prior to The Party just flat out taking over.

[u/Noocawe → u/please_trade_marner]

There is nothing misleading. He lied about and made up a story about Haitian people eating pets and then tried to go off on a tangent explaining immigration law without respect to the moderators. Both candidates mics were cut. A debate straight up out of 1984 is basically how Trump debates. Now I know you are just arguing in bad faith now.

[u/willflameboy → u/[deleted]]

Because they're genuine and try to succeed on merit, and are still not used to having to debate bad-faith showmen and hucksters.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Probably not stretching before the debates.  Also probably takes them a second to realize they are debating toddlers.  

[u/wwaxwork → u/[deleted]]

Because they have pride and want to do a good job. When you're just making shit up and running on a Republican ticket you can't have any pride just self interested greed.

[u/BowelZebub → u/[deleted]]

Because the opening question was “should we preemptive strike Iran?”

[u/Winbrick → u/BowelZebub]

I feel that was probably the worst question to ask Walz as a largely Minnesotan focused political figure, and they led with it. lol

[u/think_l0gically → u/[deleted]]

Because they rely on their guaranteed voting bases to carry them in many places and remember every once in awhile that their position is supposed to be earned.

[u/Prometheus720 → u/think_l0gically]

That makes no sense to say about Walz in particular

[u/Dibbu_mange → u/[deleted]]

Read Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health, then explain to me how the majority and the dissent are exactly the same

[u/layer_____cake → u/[deleted]]

Waaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[u/06210311200805012006 → u/layer_____cake]

You don't think genocide and the probable collapse of our biosphere is worth a few tears?

[u/Roseartcrantz → u/[deleted]]

thank you numbers 😚