⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡ VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE THUNNNNNNDAHDOME ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

[u/dubyahhh]

NO MODS

NO GODS

HIDE YOUR COUCHES

THAT'S RIGHT

IT'S TIME FOR THE VP DEBATE

[u/meubem]

Kamala Harris is a deeply unserious person

[u/thomas_baes]

Can someone give me the profile of someone politically active enough to watch a VP debate AND still undecided? I simply can't imagine who these people are

[u/scndnvnbrkfst → u/thomas_baes]

The median voter is reacting to the media reacting to the debate

[u/RecentlyUnhinged → u/thomas_baes]

The goal isn't to sway voters with the debate, the goal is to get clips for the attack ads that might

[u/Jet451]

Jimmy Carter on his way to vote

[u/SpicyCornflake → u/Jet451]

The habitat is ONLY for humanity.

[u/Zeke-Nnjai]

Least disingenuous political graphic

[u/Integralds → u/Zeke-Nnjai]

That is downright malpractice

[u/neolibbro → u/Zeke-Nnjai]

Wow. Did the OANN team get hired over at CBS? That’s journalistic malpractice.

[u/lamphibian → u/Zeke-Nnjai]

LMAO I'm glad someone else caught that. It's too bad the average American can't read

[u/Huge_Monero_Shill → u/lamphibian]

It's made to not be read. I blame the median voter as much as anyone here, but this is graphic design terrorism.

[u/generic-k]

Walz backstory scandal: you messed up a timeline by a month or two 35 years ago

Vance backstory scandal: you called your running mate Hitler

[u/bonobo__bonobo]

Walz should compliment Vance on being smarter than trump.

It forces Vance to either accept the compliment and enrage Trump or debase himself further.

[u/moneyBaggin → u/bonobo__bonobo]

This is kinda genius

[u/MissSortMachine]

[u/SpaceSheperd]

r/neoliberal: Walz fumbled that question we are so fucking cooked it's over

Undecided voter: The Teeannieman what now?

[u/Vivid_Pen5549 → u/SpaceSheperd]

What’s an august?

[u/Butchering_it]

“Walz, you have said you were there on X day, you were there actually 3 months later, explain?”

“Vance, you’ve called your running mate hitler”

[u/acmstw]

"That's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage"

Holy 🔥

[u/peronibog]

I for one wish we could go back to VP debates between respectable candidates

[u/MuscularPhysicist → u/peronibog]

DELET this

[u/MeyersHandSoup → u/peronibog]

[u/YeetThePress → u/peronibog]

Only one of these men had the gumption to endorse Harris.

Fuck Joe Lieberman.

[u/Adodie]

Overall, Vance was more polished, but "That was a damning non-answer" was by far the biggest line of the night.

[u/_Un_Known__]

[u/SaintArkweather]

JD Vance touring wreckage:

"So how long have you been flooded?"

"About a week"

"okay, good"

[u/cdstephens]

“I was wrong because I got tricked by the liberal media” lmao

[u/winterhascome2]

They actually can't say it, they are physically incapable of saying Trump lost in 2024.

That's freakish as hell.

[u/Nastrod]

Every 2 nanoseconds in this thread I see both "Walz is so cooked, it's Joever" and then "Yo Walz is cooking with that answer, we're so back"

This is very confusing for those of us not watching

[u/DentistFun2776 → u/Nastrod]

Vance speaks better but is a slimy rat so it kinda cancels out

[u/bassistb0y]

walz couldve just said "misspoke my bad" lmao

[u/Numerous-Cicada3841]

“I never supported a national ban… I did support a national… standard.”

[u/RecentlyUnhinged]

[u/ThatFrenchieGuy]

[u/NianderWallaceAlt]

!ping LAW&SHITPOSTERS

[u/PlayDiscord17]

Median voter: “I just think both candidates are neat!”

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Hello Walz, you said something small and irrelevant 30 years ago.

How will this impact your ability to be an effective leader 🤔

[u/Sheepies92]

Vance is doing well and Walz started shaky but has improved.

This'll be your typical debate where both parties will claim victory. Let's be honest anyone that is still undecided at this point is probably not even going to vote and if they are, they are not going to be convinced by the fucking VP debate lmao

[u/Fishin_Impossible]

JD Vance with the “I have a woman friend”

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

People have voted overwhelmingly against my position in my own state

Yes…? You’re proud enough to say that on national TV?

[u/_Un_Known__]

debate goes badly

VP debates don't matter anyway, it will be a nothingburger

debate goes well

Rust belt secured 😎

[u/G_Serv]

You're running with Hitler vs. You said you were in China 2 months before you actually were

[u/SpiffShientz]

I've become friends with school shooters

TIM NOOOOOOO

[u/Maestro_Titarenko]

Over 50% of the US support mass deportations

That's just sad man

[u/agentyork765]

Just told my son to STFU ABOUT PIKACHU, I'm watching the most important VP debate of my life

[u/BroadReverse]

The ones that lost the debate were the American people

Internet is gonna lose their mind share it a million times like it’s some super deep analysis.

[u/Irishfan117]

Ok, the "It felt like 2 men standing up there telling women what to do, I want more representation, Idk who to vote for maybe I won't vote" lady is an all timer median voter

[u/conwaystripledeke → u/Irishfan117]

‘I want more representation’ says the woman who isn’t sure if she can vote for the woman in the race. 

Christ almighty, just sit this one out.

[u/jail_grover_norquist → u/Irishfan117]

if only there was a woman I could vote for

idk Jill Stein I guess

[u/Pyrrhus65]

Really hope this catches on and goes mainstream as one of the defining moments of the debate, it's such a nakedly pathetic moment for Vance and also comes across as whiny

"Um, I was told that my lies wouldn't be challenged."

[u/iguessineedanaltnow → u/Pyrrhus65]

A lot of Americans hate fact checking.

[u/BroadReverse]

Trying to look up the time the debate is every dumb fucking website will give you the history of each candidates entire bloodline before what time it is hidden somewhere in the article.

[u/jamiebond]

Oh man the internal polling for the Republicans on reproductive rights must be roooough.

[u/Jagwire4458]

Find yourself a man who loves you like Tim Walz loves Minnesota

[u/fragileblink → u/[deleted]]

I think the prep teams overload them with facts and figures that journalists pretend to care about, but not regular people. There's definitely more of a purity view on that side, which leaves less room to speak freely. When I hear them speak it is like an awkward mixture of what they would naturally say and what they are supposed to say.

[u/p-s-chili → u/fragileblink]

This is 100% what's happening. If you look at them speaking normally and then speaking at a debate, you can literally see them trying to balance all the various facts and figures while weaving them into a narrative on the fly. Once they get past their first couple of answers, they tend to shake off all the stuff that's been packed into their head and instead focus on crafting a narrative, which leads to them finding a groove and speaking well.

I've participated in debate prep on a much smaller scale (congressional and lower), and nearly every democratic operative I've ever worked with was hellbent on filling the candidate's head with as many snippets of facts and figures as possible. The people prepping our candidates are so up their own asses about proving they're smart that they're actively setting up our candidates to stumble out of the gate.

[u/Icy-Magician-8085]

Hello vice president, should we bomb a country?

[u/18093029422466690581]

Vance literally walked into a fucking trap saying solar panels are all made in China. Harris fucking visited one of the largest solar panel production plant in GA in July. Vance said they don't invest in manufacturing in the USA, THE IRA LITERALLY PAVED THE WAY FOR THIS PLANT TO EXIST. THEY LITERALLY INVESTED IN AMERICAN MANUFACTURING AS A RESPONSE TO CLIMATE CHANGE.

Walz totally let that homer just pass him by. I am SO SAD he did not take that opportunity.

[u/TripleAltHandler]

TIL kicking people off Facebook is a greater threat to democracy than storming the legislature as they try to certify an election.

[u/cdstephens]

Holy fuck what a question lmao

[u/Dydono_]

Imma be honest this question is trash as fuck

[u/ChillnShill]

Chat is this real?

[u/JebBD]

Did Vance actually say “the rules are that you guys aren’t allowed to fact check”? 

[u/dizzyhitman_007 → u/JebBD]

[u/Common_RiffRaff]

[u/dubyahhh]

All Mods ARE Bastards

[u/Mejari]

"I know she's watching right now, you wouldn't know her, she goes to a different school"

[u/xeio87]

Vance's comment about "we have laws to protect pre-existing conditions" like I wanted Walz to fucking shout "THAT'S OBAMACARE!"

[u/SpiffShientz]

for the wealthiest amongst us

Narrow miss

[u/FuckFashMods]

That's the debate. That moment was brutal for Vance.

I don't know why he wouldn't just say Trump lost

[u/Prowindowlicker]

NBC undecideds say that they are leaning towards Harris and that Walz was better than Vance.

Also some guys say that Walz is more for the people while Vance didn’t and that Vance was trying to seem human

[u/FartCityBoys]

Walz wasn’t picked to dominate a debate, because frankly the VP debate doesn’t move the needle. Walz was picked because he’s a likeable midwestern guy with a good story and a good record as a governor. Sure, mayor Pete would have generated multiple owns, but again this debate is way down the list of priorities.

[u/1058pm]

“Do you support a preemptive strike by israel on iran?”

Vance: “i grew up in a middle class family”

The same shit they attacked kamala for you cant make this up.

[u/sayitaintpink]

Bruh trump killed the nuclear deal you can’t fluff it off

[u/The_Dok]

“Project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.” — Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota

False.

Project 2025, a blueprint for governing drafted by the conservative Heritage Foundation, does not specifically call for a “registry of pregnancies,” but it does call for existing federal agencies to collect more accurate data about abortion.

Hey, NYT? What would that accurate data about abortion LOOK LIKE?

[u/LastIncrease3427]

Does anyone seriously believe Trump “peacefully gave up power”

What an awful and disgusting answer from Vance

[u/Telperions-Relative]

I’m worried this debate is a prelude to republicans moving on from Trump to act like they were always normal. And democrats are going to come off as obsessed for reminding Americans just how damaging they were and are

[u/btk7710]

You guys know this is how debates usually go, right? Sorry Walz can’t debate a brain dead moron like Kamala gets to. When two people with an IQ over 70 have a debate, it’s not going to be a blowout.

[u/itsnotnews92]

HAHAHAHAHA this college student on MSNBC saying "Anyone who's passed a high school civics class knows that the Vice President can't do anything. Neither candidate on that stage told us what executive action they would take on day one, nor were they asked, because the Vice President can't do that."

He was so sassy about it too. I hope someone clips that and shares it.

[u/BedNeither]

JD Vance really proved last night that he is the Ohio Ted Cruz

[u/Nastrod]

The 2020 VP debate was in SLC. I lived in SLC at the time.

The 2024 VP debate is in NYC. I live in NYC now.

Checkmate, atheists. You can't explain that.

[u/Udolikecake]

‘i’m worse on free trade’

‘no IM worse on free trade!’

‘no IM EVEN WORSE’

[u/mockduckcompanion]

I don't even know who the VP candidates are

• 🗿 (median voter)

[u/obeybooks]

"I can sense you fact checking me." -Me when my boss sends back my draft with a bunch of revisions.

[u/Thrawn656]

I wasn’t expecting Vance to dodge the abortion question as much as he did

[u/Average_GrillChad]

Who the hell are these nerds

Where is the hot cop babe and the orange reality show lunatic

[u/Sheepies92]

Great by Walz to mention Pence not being on this stage

[u/loof10]

I actually don’t even care about the whole “storming the capital” thing all that much.

Guess the sub.

[u/KeithClossOfficial]

We didn’t talk about energy

You literally talked about energy instead of climate change

[u/Khiva]

At the beginning of the debate, Karina Muñoz, 19, a sophomore from Bristol, Wis., sat down with her friends and her sister, Maribel. She favors reproductive and L.G.B.T.Q. rights, she said, but did not identify with a party or a candidate.

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With most of the debate finished, Maribel Muñoz, 18, a freshman, said she had cringed at Mr. Vance’s statements on immigration, especially when the topic of Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, was raised. “I’m the granddaughter of two immigrants,” she said, but added that neither party held any appeal. “I’m not sure if I will vote.”

What's that they say about becoming the joker?

[u/letsgoheat3]

Apparently CNN's focus group had 6/7 still undecided.

And 1 person now favoring Harris due to Vance's non-answer about 2020.

[u/Due-Dirt-8428]

ATTENTION NERDS

I’m not going to watch so I am asking everyone to post this emoji if things are going well -> 🏈 and this emoji if things are not so chill -> 🈲. This way when I look later I can quickly get a vibe check. Thanks. Talk to you all later

[u/ConspicuousSnake → u/Due-Dirt-8428]

👻

This emoji means I love Halloween. Please comment on this guy’s post with 👻 so that he knows the debate is taking place in October

[u/drunkenpossum]

It’s honestly fucking unbelievable that it’s 2024 and a vice president candidate is still casting doubt on whether carbon dioxide causes warming. Might as well cast doubt on the fucking sky being blue.

[u/ndneejej]

This is what liberals are trying to get people scared of 🤣

[u/Own_Locksmith_1876]

Brooo is he saying climate change isn't real

[u/LGBTforIRGC]

"let's suppose that carbon dioxide causes climate change"

[u/Here4thebeer3232]

JD Vance said that no nuclear plant has come online in decades, Georgia literally started up new reactors last year. And the Inflation Reduction Act has given the most generous subsidies for nuclear energy in decades. Bold face lie

[u/johnson_alleycat]

Vance when he spots a Hispanic child (drug mule) struggling across a river

[u/WanderingMage03]

I do appreciate Vance explaining that Republicans issue was never with immigrants actual legal status and that it was always about the fact that they are immigrants.

[u/FatElk]

You saiwd youw wouwdn't fact check 👉🏼👈🏼

[u/zanpancan]

As someone already said, this debate feels very Pence-Harris coded.

Pence was (imo) better there on the debate stage but Harris did sufficiently well that with electoral trends, the perception favored her.

Vance is putting up a very strong showing playing to the people he needs to play to. He sounds intelligent and coherent (irrespective of what the content of his speech is), and he has enough populist flair and skewers Walz rhetorically enough that he can easily call it a win (and is probably right to).

Walz on the other hand has done solid enough that he has gotten his key talking points out and can say he got Vance to go mask off on sufficiently enough that he can play it off as well.

I doubt it will have much electoral impact however. People will probably forget this in a bit.

[u/John_Maynard_Gains]

I love that Trump is associated with masculinity when he’s clearly never played sports and his favorite hobby is being bitchy about celebrity gossip and people “looking like slobs”

[u/kurtztrash]

He's crushing it with this liberal family values talk.

[u/cdstephens]

Liberals: “debates should be boring again!”

Also liberals: “I’m bored!!!!”

[u/No_Nefariousness7486]

The “same here man” is the closest JD Vance got to sounding like a real person again, holy fuck I almost felt sympathy for him there.

[u/Sherpav]

“Damning non-answer” is the moment

[u/Pyrrhus65]

"Did Trump lose in 2020?"

"Well did Kamala..."

And in that moment Vance embodied the spirit of every reddit and Twitter conservative who resorts to insane leaps of whataboutism when directly challenged by a question/argument they're not comfortable with

If you have to pivot that hard you've lost the argument

[u/sheldoncooper1701]

The fact that JD Vance would not respond to conceding the election if he loses, should be the headline on ALL news about this debate. We knew Trump wouldn't answer but.....Just insane times we are living in.

[u/ErectileCombustion69]

I think what I hate most about undecided voters is their lack of shame

[u/Bayou-Maharaja]

[u/ClancyPelosi]

[u/SheHerDeepState]

Waltz is doing fine. He's not able to quickly pivot into an attack like Pete. Yes, I am obsessed with Pete.

Vance knows climate change is real. He's lying to pander to the crazy base. Very gross.

[u/InterstellarDickhead]

Why can no democrat say that when an abortion happens in the late months of pregnancy it is because something horrible has gone wrong and the baby won’t survive. Doctors are not out there aborting healthy babies.

[u/RelativeCounter2976]

Wow, every undecided voter on the panel are single issue voters, with the same issue: longshoreman employment.

[u/GelatoJones]

OK I'm sorry, but what the fuck is this question?

[u/Mr_Bank]

Walz is nervous but Kamala started nervous and cruised after like five mins so it’ll be fine

[u/cdstephens]

Walz: slightly fumbles the question

JD Vance: let me talk about how poor I used to be

[u/SpiffShientz]

VANCE:

Cool question, here's my wikipedia entry

[u/revmuun]

"Our number one export can't be topsoil from these storms' erosion"

what a goddamn good line

[u/ashack11]

Vance is smooth and slimy, it makes him great in environments like this, but poor at relating to actual people and on the ground in rural communities. Walz’s strengths as a speaker are more evident on the campaign trail than on TV.

[u/Maestro_Titarenko]

Kamala Harris

Executive orders

Again

SHE'S NOT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT

[u/Miserable_Set_657]

Say what you want about JD or Walz, but they are -- for some reason -- so incredibly nice to each other. They shit on Kamala and Trump, but will be like "I agree with his rhetoric," "I appreciate that"

[u/jayred1015]

That is a BIZARRE question in a debate. Thanks NYT Pitchbot!

[u/piede]

[u/dizzyhitman_007]

By Paul Noth, from when Trump chose Vance

[u/mandalore237]

Walz confirmed not to run facebook

[u/Necrochi]

“I don’t run Facebook” rofl

[u/friendia]

Wow this was the best moment of the debate for Walz. That was genuinely very moving.

[u/Strength-Certain]

You're all whining about the fire in a crowded theater thing, but I'm here to tell you that every high school government teacher uses that line at least once a year.

[u/Ok-Armadillo-2119]

The Jan. 6 question probably eroded Vance among moderates. Trump's insistence on not just acknowledging he lost is going to sink the whole party. People are justifiably terrified that Trump will gut democracy and all checks on executive power if he's elected again.

[u/SigmaWhy]

My biggest takeaway from this debate is that JD Vance's populism is all an extreme larp

[u/mud074]

"This was a debate between two men telling women what to do, we need more representation. IDK who I will vote for president"

Girl what

[u/ErectileCombustion69]

Undecided voter on NBC about JD: "he sounds like he was trying to be more human"

Lol

[u/Sheepies92]

this NBC undecided panel was hilarious instead of infuriating tbh

One woman just started talking about their day and everyone said that they kinda don't really care about the VP debate

[u/indithrow402]

Interestingly Vance clearly still has succ tendencies even after becoming a Republican, but his pitch doesn't really work at all when it's obvious that most of the rest of his party would light themselves on fire before actually signing any of those spending programs.

[u/2timescharm → u/indithrow402]

Watching vance talk is like watching the Green Goblin switching to Norman Osborne for a few seconds before going back

[u/futuremonkey20]

You are all dooming about a tie. Touch grass.

[u/letsgoheat3]

I think in general the debate will be largely forgotten in a week.

https://x.com/mattmfm/status/1841320867260780721

NBC News just polled their focus group of 6 undecided voters in Pennsylvania who won the VP debate.

5 of 6 said Tim Walz won the debate.

[u/RadioRavenRide]

I don't watch the debate, only infer what happened based on thunderdome comments.

[u/Mr_Bank]

Mods you said lying was allowed!! MODS!?!?

[u/Zlesxc]

This has secretly become a 90 minute move to Minnesota ad and I kinda love it

[u/MissSortMachine]

[u/TheJoeRoomGroup]

I think that, after this debate, the people who like Donald Trump will think Vance won, and the people who like Kamala Harris will think Walz won.

Subscribe to the Cook Political Report for $39.99 a month for more insightful analysis.

[u/Common_RiffRaff]

Thread is dead, post erotic macron pics.

[u/S_T_R_A_T_O_S]

Walz very quickly building up momentum, his rebuttal to Vance on Iran was great

[u/theaceoface]

VP debates don't matter and this won't either

[u/LastTimeOn_]

Let's just say that's true.

Let's just assume gravity exists.

[u/rasonj]

If Kamala Harris really believed in Climate Change, she would let us burn more coal and oil to fight it

[u/Downtown-Sky-5736]

Oh my god the Shapiro stans are here

[u/reptiliantsar]

How can you watch this? There’s no deranged yelling.

[u/toggaf69]

Banger of an answer Tim

[u/Mojo12000]

I feel like Walz is stronger on responses than initial answers and the opposite is true for Vance.

[u/Currymvp2]

Lmao rare moderator w. Fuck Vance

[u/anincredibledork]

Walz talking at 1.5 speed means we've got the zoomer vote locked in

[u/SpiffShientz]

Tim, you said "trust the experts". But some of those experts were women. And some of those women were unmarried.

[u/Currymvp2]

Vance is a sleazy piece of shit but he's better at debating than most Republicans. Reminds me of Pence in that way

[u/Own_Locksmith_1876]

Vance: spreads lies about migrants that lead to bomb threats

Walz: forgot what month he went to China 30 years ago

[u/Numerous-Cicada3841]

That was cringe as fuck

[u/Udolikecake]

Mr Vance, you called Trump America’s hitler. Do you also support Black Hitler mr Mark Robinson

[u/Dragmire927]

Every comment about tariffs be like

[u/KeithClossOfficial]

Walz absolutely crushed the abortion question, holy shit

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force]

That was a good point by Walz on pro-abortion

I’d describe myself as pro-choice and anti-abortion. A lot of Democrats would agree with me on that, including the president. Overturning Roe actually increased abortions, meanwhile Obamacare reduced abortions.

I support policies that reduce the number of abortions

[u/sinefromabove]

Sad!

[u/don-corle1]

"it's boring"

Trump has literally reshaped what people think a normal debate looks like 😂

[u/Syards-Forcus]

Vance trying as hard as possible to pivot to the center when he has a spotless record of hyperconservatism on abortion is quite funny

[u/bassistb0y]

"how is what i said wrong" "thats not what it said and it was fact checked at the last debate" "oh, okay"

LMFAO

[u/how_dry_i_am]

"Yeah I think I'm gonna turn off. Not as fun as first debate"

Some of you all are the problem. Our politics should be boring. This isn't a spectacle. It's not about "fun"

[u/anincredibledork]

Became friends with school shooters

"Mr. Walz, you're pretty cool, don't come to school tomorrow"

[u/CrispMustard]

This feels like a debate from 20 years ago. I love it and hate it at the same time

[u/erin_burr]

[u/bangnburn]

Vance acknowledging Harris/Biden won the election 🧐🧐

[u/G_Serv]

Lil bro is tweeting while on stage

[u/Whytfbuddy]

trump just doesn’t give a fuck about Vance it’s so funny every time

[u/secretlives]

I mean obviously fuck JD Vance but a debate between two people who are at least able to articulate their points is refreshing

[u/Barbiek08]

My main takeaway is that Minnesota sounds amazing minus the snow and the Vikings and I want to move there

[u/Tafts_Bathtub]

All debates used to be this boring. we have to retvrn

[u/Maleficent-Elk-6860]

If Trump wins he will absolutely execute JD Vance

[u/SpiffShientz]

That is a damning non-answer

HOOPS FROM HALF-COURT

[u/YehosafatLakhaz]

PENCE MENTIONED

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

[u/CarmineLTazzi]

Walz torched him on Jan 6. The non answer on whether Trump lost is bruuuutallll

[u/Its_the_dankness]

Mike Pence? Of “Hang Mike Pence” fame?

[u/dxgoogs]

We’ve finally acknowledged why Pence isn’t there

[u/cannedsmarties]

I think Vance’s debate bro mask just slipped off there, like he really thought banning people on Facebook is of equal value to January 6th

[u/Mejari]

There has to have been political ads on "Why isn't Pence the VP Candidate? Because he wouldn't violate the Constitution for Trump. Will JD?" with the noose in front of the capitol, right?

[u/Boe-Jurrow]

Far left Bernie Sanders

Center Dick Chaney

Far right Taylor Swift

[u/InMemoryOfZubatman4]

Walz didn’t do as amazing as he should have, especially at the start

Vance is a very slick talker but no substance

[u/Sheepies92]

I shouldn't watch the undecided voter panel it'll just make me hate humanity

[u/Moth-of-Asphodel]

"Walz did okay"

WEAK

There's nothing like a candidate for Vice President who dominates in a debate.

The gold standard*

*yeah I watched every single one a couple years ago and he was the best, Dick Cheney a close second tbh

[u/jamiebond]

Vance came across like a very skilled and effective debater. And I mean that in a good and a bad way.

See, the thing about debate kids, and why they're pretty insufferable (couch Ben Shapiro cough) is that debate isn't actually about standing up for what you believe in or anything like that. In debate competitions you aren't scored on the merits of what you're actually arguing for. You're scored on whether or not you were able to put forth an effective argument defending whatever position you were assigned. Whether or not you actually believe anything you're saying is irrelevant.

And that's how Vance came across. He didn't seem like he ever cared about actually saying what he believed. All he cared about was saying things that helped him "win" the debate. It all just came across as so phony.

[u/itsnotnews92]

Jen Psaki on MSNBC saying it's been a huge mistake to keep Walz on a leash the last few weeks. Saying he needs to be out there and be free to make mistakes and be authentic and connect with people.

[u/senoricceman]

I’m already tired of people saying this is the first civil debate in years. Hmmm I wonder who has been the one common denominator in why that is. People are so stupid. 

[u/AppleOfWhoseEye]

i hate undecideds

[u/loof10]

My personal takeaway:

I fucking hate JD Vance. At this point he somehow provides a more negative feeling when I see him on my screen than Trump does. All the nastiness of Trump polished up and presented like a used car salesman.

Also, fuck Ohio State.

[u/RedGeist_]

Walz clinched it with the “did Trump lose the 2020 election” question. Wasn’t sure he’d pulled it off until right then.

[u/BalletDuckNinja]

I’m an Argonian farm tool and I can personally say that the Empire did nothing for me, my life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse. Everything is much better under the Sixth House though. I feel respected – which I never do when abolitionists are involved.

!ping TES