r/europe • u/UNITED24Media • 1d ago
News Surviving Flight Attendant Shares New Details of Azerbaijan Airlines Crash in Aktau
https://united24media.com/latest-news/surviving-flight-attendant-shares-new-details-of-azerbaijan-airlines-crash-in-aktau-475692
u/vegarig Donetsk (Ukraine) 1d ago
"But at that moment, a strange sound came from outside the plane,” he said. “As a result of the impact that occurred on the outside of the plane, I got a cut on my hand.”
Hella lucky, that dude.
A bit to the side - and shrapnel impactor from SAM might've gone through his heart or head.
Additionally, according to Caliber, the aircraft's communication systems were entirely disabled by Russian electronic warfare (EW) systems, rendering it effectively blind and causing it to vanish from radar while over Russian airspace.
It certainly seems that russia hoped that plane'd crash into Caspian Sea - after all, all traces could've been dealt with with a plausible deniability, had this happened. A single Kh-101/Kalibr, during the next missile wave, overflying the region and falling where the plane fell - "well, stuff happens" and nothing would've been recovered afterwards.
The pilots of this plane were absolute heroes, managing to bring it to Aktau and keep some passengers alive upon landing
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u/DerSagIchNicht 1d ago edited 1d ago
How does it make sense that all communication systems were dead and they vanished from radar, with russia denying landing clearance on russian airports and hoping they would crash into the caspian sea + it would be way easier to let evidence disappear on russian ground. Something doenst add up.
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u/vegarig Donetsk (Ukraine) 1d ago
How does it make sense that all communication systems were dead and they vanished from radar,
That part's likely to be due to jamming.
with russia denying landing clearance on russian airports and hoping they would crash into the caspian sea + it would be way easier to let evidence disappear on russian ground.
And that one risks some random blogger filming the jet crashing and leaking it onto Internet. GUR patrols russian social media somewhat fiercely, as CNN had shown in their documentary about An-196, where GUR keeps an eye on russian city-level TG groups as a way of impact assessment, because someone will always at least write something, if not outright post a video of impacts
Lesser risk of such happening over the Caspian sea.
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u/TheBusStop12 Dutchman in Suomiland 23h ago
And that one risks some random blogger filming the jet crashing and leaking it onto Internet. GUR patrols russian social media somewhat fiercely, as CNN had shown in their documentary about An-196, where GUR keeps an eye on russian city-level TG groups as a way of impact assessment, because someone will always at least write something, if not outright post a video of impacts
That's for example how we know for sure that MH17 was shot down by a Russian BUK. Because some random civilians in Russia and Donbass filmed the BUK being transported from Russia to Ukraine and back again and posted said videos online. The JIT then found this footage and was able to construct a timeline
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u/DerSagIchNicht 1d ago
But the media says "russia denied emergency landing". What is it now? No communication or denied emergency landing?
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u/vegarig Donetsk (Ukraine) 23h ago edited 23h ago
AFAIK, it went like this:
Whenever plane was trying to approach the airport, it experienced a radiolink blackout, due to active jammers nearby (GPS + communication).
After airliner getting hit and pulling up, leaving the radiolink jamming area, russia decided to proceed with landing denial and rerouting flight to Aktau. GPS was still jammed, but not the comms.
EDIT: In all likelyhood, the reason there was a full comm blackout near the airport, with GPS denial bubble extending beyond it, is fear of Ukraine using some remote communication for terminal targeting updates for long-range drones via either Starlink, cellular modem with russian SIM-card a la the way they did it with Shaheds or some other radiolink system. But since broadband jammers are extremely energy-hungry, the range was limited
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u/DerSagIchNicht 23h ago
That seems logical. Can you just jam one plane or is it the whole area? Was it the only plane attempting to land? I have so many questions haha. And can you tell the difference on radar, if its a drone or a plane? And by the way, i am in no way defending russsia, i just question everything nowadays. With the Cargo plan crashed in lithiania, the media instantly said "russia is sending bombs in parcels". 2 weeks later on the last site of the newspaper "btw it wasnt russia, but nevermind". Obviously russia news will be just as disinforming as ours, but I still like to question everything. And thanks for the answers, seems like you know a lot about that stuff.
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u/outb4noon 21h ago
The truly disgusting part of this loaded question is how you ignored that they're saying Russia blocked the communication not that it was completely dead.
You sick genocide supporters
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u/Fuzzy_Imagination705 1d ago
Ha ha ha 🤣
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u/DerSagIchNicht 1d ago
That was a genuine question?
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u/415646464e4155434f4c Earth 1d ago
Apologies for the strong opinion here but i feel that if the exact same actions were laid out by any other well known “terroristic organization” the west would have blasted them to the Middle Ages already.
So I wonder, what’s holding us back now?
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u/Affectionate_Cat293 Jan Mayen 21h ago
Even without nukes, I don't think there is an appetite for a mass mobilisation in Europe and the US to occupy Moscow.
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u/nebeatsimenu 1d ago
Corruption. Russia has their ties in most of the governments and using democracies as their tool to exploit.
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u/anybloodythingwilldo 14h ago
Well America also shot down an Iranian passenger jet years ago and the crew of the ship who launched the missile were given medals on their return home. The US pretty much got away with it and people don't really talk about it.
So it depends upon the country and the power they hold. Russia will get away with this too.
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u/ExoticSterby42 Hungary 13h ago
Russia already got away shooting down MH17, let’s not forget about that one
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u/anybloodythingwilldo 11h ago
Of course, I'm just saying getting away with these sorts of things happens on both sides if the country is powerful enough.
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u/Infinite_Room2570 22h ago
Russia appears not to have any civil society, any interest in truth or justice, no human rights. No free press just a deny and lie culture. It's a sick country. The lack of protest is pathetic.
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u/Affectionate_Cat293 Jan Mayen 21h ago
Their civil society has been liquidated years ago (google Memorial International who won a Nobel Prize).
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u/Thi_rural_juror 10h ago
If Russia did it can't they just say it was a mistake and sweep it under the rug , Like the USS liberty was a mistake and got swept or the WCK targeting was a mistake or aysenur's death, hind rajab or the nordstream pipeline which is suddenly a silent matter. etc etc etc
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u/Appropriate-Mood-69 1d ago
Well, Russia is now imposing sanctions on their own.
So much winning!