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🌎 World Events Missile impacts in Israel

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u/204gaz00 Oct 01 '24

I wonder how many missiles were launched this time. There seems to be a lot more making contact with the ground unlike last time

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u/llcooljacob_ Oct 01 '24

The difference here is that these are ballistic missiles, not the Frankenstein rockets that Hamas sends over. These are much harder to intercept.

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u/jabronified Oct 02 '24

last time for iran mostly sent slow moving drones. but yes, the difference is these are ballistic missiles and a lot of them

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u/Neither-Luck-9295 Oct 02 '24

What's the difference between a ballistic missile and a regular one?

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u/jagedlion Oct 02 '24

A ballistic missile flies really high (as in, space high), and then just 'falls' to its target. In that way it travels a 'ballistic' trajectory, like a bullet would on the way down. (Though many can slightly angle on the way down to dodge defenses and better hit targets)

As a result they can be going crazy fast on their way down. Very hard to defend against. Easiest is to shoot them down on the way up, but they do that over friendly territory. If you have a good enough system, you can sometimes intercept them in space, but that still quite hard.

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u/SongFeisty8759 Oct 02 '24

On the other hand although it's re-entry is fast (hypersonic in most cases), its ballistic path is more predictable. 

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u/PetakIsMyName Oct 03 '24

I’d just befriend all the spiders and ask them to make a giant web above my city.

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u/Theron3206 Oct 02 '24

Hamas rockets are also ballistic missiles, just smaller and cruder ones.

That said, those appear to be missing, so would they even intercept, given the risk that intercepting a miss would result in debris which could easily hit something?

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u/TheMadFlyentist Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 02 '24

You've gotten some answers on what a ballistic missile is, but just in case anyone needs more clarification:

The missiles that Hamas has been sending into Israel for decades now are unguided and "homemade", essentially just model rockets on steroids. They weld together a rocket body with fins and then use a fuel made from fertilizer such as potassium/urea nitrate. For the warhead (explosive tip) they use high explosives that they scavenge from military targets or (rarely) make themselves.

Since they are unguided and fairly amateur, they cause a high degree of collateral damage since it's impossible to accurately aim them at military targets. Generally it seems that Hamas doesn't really care where they hit, they just want them to hit anywhere in Israel (including civilian housing).

These amateur missiles are the rockets that the Iron Dome is designed to defend against, and the system generally does a great job at stopping them.

The missiles in the OP are military-grade ballistic missiles, hence why the Iron Dome is effectively useless less effective against them.

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u/WhiteMilk_ Oct 02 '24

For the warhead (explosive tip) they use high explosives that they scavenge from military targets

One big source is unexploded israeli munitions.

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u/VexingRaven Oct 02 '24

Iron Dome being less effective isn't anything to do with them being guided. They're launched from further away, meaning they come in steeper and faster with less time to intercept. You need bigger, longer range interceptors to stop these compared the aircraft and short-range missiles Iron Dome is designed for.

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u/TheMadFlyentist Oct 02 '24

Yeah, I didn't say otherwise. Maybe you're just adding additional context for others.

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u/ljtwins97 Oct 02 '24

Well Israhell has better technology with the missiles but they also don’t care where they hit, as long as they hit civilians but pretend it’s Hamas

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u/Hohh20 Oct 02 '24

The iron dome was doing it's job and intercepting a lot of them, but it wasn't able to get them all. I guess they defended against the ones that were most critical and left the others to hit parts of the city that weren't as important or devastating.

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u/ddd615 Oct 02 '24

I just googled it. Apparently a ballistic missile is only powered during the beginning of it's flight. (Think of ICBM's being rocketed to space or a high altitude before falling back to earth at their target.)

Regular missiles apparently are powered throughout their flight.

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u/NeverTrustATurtle Oct 02 '24

ICBMs are ballistic missiles, that’s the BM part. The IC means inter continental range

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '24 edited Nov 18 '24

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u/ProclusGlobal Oct 02 '24

What about an air-to-air missile? Those are powered through reaching the target and are definitely NOT cruise missiles nor are they ballistic. Like one jet shooting another.

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u/VexingRaven Oct 02 '24

While you're technically right that all missiles are "ballistic" in the same sense that all bullets are ballistic, there's a distinction you're missing here. A "ballistic" missile is one that follows a ballistic path intentionally as part of its design. They up go, and then down toward the target. A non-ballistic missile like an AA missile, although it is technically ballistic, does not deliberately follow a ballistic path even though some of them are unpowered for some portion of their flight. It flies as direct a course as possible. Gravity is only a small part of the forces affecting its flight path, compared to a medium or long range ballistic missile which intentionally gets as high as possible and falls back down.

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u/VexingRaven Oct 02 '24

Regular missiles apparently are powered throughout their flight.

This isn't true either, missiles are often powered only for part of the flight as well. However, a ballistic missile flies a ballistic trajectory, meaning it goes up in the air and then falls back down by gravity. A non-ballistic missile will boost directly toward (or in front of) the target and then coast toward it at high speed. For example, anti-air missiles will fly toward the target and coast into its path, then explode when they meet.

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u/zazoopraystar Oct 02 '24 edited Oct 03 '24

It’s highly likely a lot of these are their new medium range Fattah Hypersonic missiles.

They are 2 stage meaning they take off as one piece then the warhead top cone separates with its own rocket engine becoming even faster before impact. Think like the Gemini space rockets. These would be very fast and likely able to defeat the Dome when used as a cluster type attack.

These missiles along with what’s already been described here were unveiled in 2023 by Iran.

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u/Aj2W0rK Oct 02 '24

The speed, The speeeed