r/OnePieceTC • u/CubeoHS • May 12 '22

Megathread 8th Anniversary Sugo-Fest Megathread

8th Anniversary Sugo

  • May 11 - June 18

  • Parts 2/3/4/5 begin on 12/13/14/15

  • 15% Legend Rate

  • The new Luffy, Yamato/Ace, and Kaido are Super Sugo Exclusive

  • The new Boa/Nami/Robin is limited to "Memorable moments of OPTC"

Part 1 Structure:

  • Multi 1, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 21, 22, 24, 26, 27, 29: Guaranteed Rate-Boosted
  • Multi 2, 3, 4, 13, 23, 28: Legend
  • Multi 5: New Character
  • Multi 6, 10, 15, 25: Rated Up Legend
  • Multi 8, 18: All posters 50% chance to be a Legend
  • Multi 20: Super Sugo Exclusive Legend
  • Multi 30: New Super Sugo Exclusive Legend

Parts 2/3/4/5 Structure:

  • Multi 1, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 27, 29: Rate-Boosted or Legend
  • Multi 2, 3, 13, 16, 24, 28: Legend
  • Multi 5, 10: Limited Legend
  • Multi 8, 20: Super Limited Legend
  • Multi 30: guaranteed Luffy/Yama & Ace/Kaido/Boa & Nami & Robin on parts 2/3/4/5 respectively

Post Your Pulls here and Good Luck!!

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u/FateOfMuffins Doktah Carrot Muffins May 12 '22 edited May 12 '22

I will be finalizing my numbers because Bandai gave us a surprise...

The rates are BETTER than I expected! Go ham

Rates

  • Thank you Bandai for the very transparent and flat rates

  • Rated Up Legends @ 0.125% each (Anni Legends included, 0.500% combined, this is expected)

  • Non Rated Up Legends @ 0.089% each

  • Rated Up Regular RRs @ 1.007% each

  • For Guaranteed Rated Up steps, the +1 has 3% for the Anni Legends combined!

  • For Guaranteed Legend steps, the +1 has 3.333% for the Anni Legends combined

  • For multi 5, the +1 is a 15% split between the 4 Anni Legends

  • For Guaranteed Rated Up Legend, the +1 has a 20% for the Anni Legends combined (WAY higher than Super Limited Pool!)

  • For multi 8/18, each poster has 1.667% for Anni Legends combined

  • For multi 20, the +1 has a 29.67% chance for the Anni Legends combined (they have higher individual rates than the other Super Sugos)

  • For multi 30, the +1 has 33.333% each for the 3 Anni Super Sugos (waifus not included)

Normalized Rates

  • Key steps are multi 5/6/8/10/15/18/20/25/30
  • Part 1 costs 414 gems on average for 1 Anni Legend (for comparison NY costed 664 - 698 gems for RWB and Strawhats)
  • Parts 2-5 costs 602.5 gems on average for 1 Anni Legend
  • The idea is that Part 1 is an Anniversary Structure banner but Parts 2-5 are glorified regular debut banners
  • Guaranteed Rated Up Unit steps are actual steps unlike the Guaranteed Rated Up or Legend steps in parts 2-5 which don't mean anything. They are almost as good as the Guaranteed Legend steps (3% vs 3.333%).
  • Guaranteed Rated Up Legend steps have much higher rates for the Anni Legends than the Super Limited Pool steps in parts 2-5.

Basic Pulling Strategy

  • This is a strategy for players who are either pulling for multiple Anni Legends or do not care which Anni Legend they get. If you REALLY REALLY want a very SPECIFIC Anni Legend, then go pull on their part.
  • If you plan on pulling in multiple parts, then 100% you want to pull in part 1 FIRST.
  • This does NOT factor in how good the pools are for each individual person - make your own judgement on that.
  • Each column # on the chart represents the next multi you are doing (i.e. if you just did multi 14 and will be doing 15 next, you should look at column #15 in the chart)
  • Obviously green means continue pulling in part 1 while yellow means swap. You want to swap when the average cost of pulling new units in part 1 exceeds 602.5 gems, which is the average cost of a specific debut in parts 2-5.
  • This primarily deals with pulling the FIRST copy of the Legend - make your own judgement on when you want to swap if you want dupes. For ex, say you pulled all 3 super sugos and are missing the waifus and you just finished multi 29. The chart recommends you to swap... but you probably wanna do multi 30 regardless. Or for example, you pulled some units and now you are at a cell in the chart that is numbered 620 gems. Yes, it is higher than 602.5, but not majorly so - if you don't mind getting dupes of Anni Legends then you may want to continue on part 1 despite 620 > 602.5

  • FAQ - As another example, suppose you are missing only 1 Anni Super Legend and you just finished multi 19. And suppose you do not care for dupes, just want 1 of each. Yes, the chart says you should swap, BUT you'd probably want to do multi 20 FIRST before swapping because it's such a big step. The chart would unfortunately be much too complicated if I started factoring in everything, so this is as best as I can get it.

  • TLDR - Pull in Part 1 until you get 2/4 Anni Legends, then consult the chart

Edit: For those of you who are curious on how "shafted" you are - you "expect" to pull 4.66 debut Legends (including steps) in 1500 gems in part 1. That is "average luck"

Here's a more detailed graph on how shafted you were in 30 multis

Cumulative distribution

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u/Aomirai May 12 '22

Hey Fate, thanks for all the work you do as always.
I was just wondering if you think there's any reasons to continue past Multi 30 on Part 1?

I'm missing 1 Super and Waifu currently and likely won't be able to go crazy deep on 2 more parts and whilst the individual rates suck, the value of Part 1 for me is pretty significant in terms of good dupes overall.

I'm assuming limited pools steps however, probably outweigh this overall, even if you are only chasing 1 legend on say Part 5 for example?

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u/FateOfMuffins Doktah Carrot Muffins May 12 '22

No, absolutely no value in going past 30.

The only reason why we pull on part 1 is because of the steps. Even including the dupes, part 1 would only have 0.5% rates going forward while parts 2-5 will have higher rates due to steps.

Say you have 500 more gems. You will have higher odds of pulling both the Super and Waifu you're missing on their individual banners than the Super, Waifu and dupes on part 1 continuing past 30.

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u/Aomirai May 12 '22

Ah ok, thanks. I'll wait it out then.

I do wonder if it will ever be more effective to pull past 30 on part 1 though, especially if also chasing dupes. Like we're already at a 1.034% for dupe-able (Final Tap/Tandem) limited legends on part 1 compared to the 1.5% selected on parts 2-4.

And that's ignoring all the TM legends and old LLB-revamp legends also available on part 1.

I just wonder what next year's anniversary might look like in that regard, especially with potentially double the TM legends, a handful more Super legends and LLB-revamp legends, and if they keep spreading the high value Super legends out really thinly across later parts.

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u/FateOfMuffins Doktah Carrot Muffins May 12 '22

Still not worth. Steps are where half the value comes from in OPTC gacha.

You see the normalized rates graph? Where part 1 rates are like almost double that of parts 2-5? That's purely due to steps, because base rates are identical. The steps literally double the rates.

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u/Aomirai May 12 '22

Ah yep, gotcha. Thanks.
Yeah that normalized rates graph really helps.