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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1108 Spoiler

Chapter 1108: "Attention, World!"

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Ch. 1108 Official Release (Mangaplus): 25/02/2024

Ch. 1109 Scan Release: ~29/02/2024

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u/GangsterRavioliGuy Pirate King Feb 22 '24

The way he talks to them as well.

"No way I'm letting you escape" Sounds like they're not the threat, and for once Luffy seems like the final boss.

Emperor shit right there.

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u/Marliix Feb 22 '24

Fuck yes he looks so mighty here. The power of an emperor.

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u/Chaosblast Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Compared to poor Saturn. My man is looking silly in this arc. Even Kizaru is looking better than him.

He hasn't even had a chance to shine. I think he'll do in the post battle tbh. Oda won't allow us think the Gorosei are useless.

And that ongoing transformation, that change in the eyes... it's going to get more beastly it seems.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24

I'd prefer if the old men behind the curtains weren't secretly the most powerful fighters

Their power is in corrupting the world and puppeteering events to be in their favor not in on the field battles

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u/VTWut Feb 22 '24

To be fair, Saturn's strength so far seems to largely be connected to his devil fruit/invulnerability, rather than personal battle strength.

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u/Unabashable Feb 22 '24

Yeah. Like in One Piece, size alone doesn't really seem to be much of a threat to a capable fighter. Just gives them a bigger target to hit. Main reason he hasn't been squashed like the bug he is yet is because of his healing factor like you said, and his mind 'sploder preventing all but the strongest to even be able to move in his presence.

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u/Kleavage Feb 22 '24

That's my impression as well. He probably hasn't really used his devil fruit much at all and even when he does, people's heads are exploding or they can't move.

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u/OhItsKillua Feb 22 '24

Saturn can suck relatively speaking, but I doubt all of them are lackluster in combat against the likes of Luffy or whoever they may need to fight against

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24

There's only about 4 pirates at any given time that are on the level Luffy's on right now

Maybe more during the Roger era depending on how powerful the Rocks pirates were but its hard to know because a lot of them that went on to be top tier were still young like Kaido and BM

If the Gorosei and Imu are on that tier or even higher with the combined power of their admirals im not really sure why they'd even feel the need to play this shadow game for so long

Im sure there's risks involved in revealing their authority like risking a world revolt but if they have that kind of power it shouldn't even matter

The story makes more sense to me if they need the Admirals to do the on the ground work and their power is in planning and plotting

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u/Unabashable Feb 22 '24

The Gorosei aren't "in the shadows". It's common knowledge that they are heads of the World Government. It's Imu being the true ruler that's their dirty little secret.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24

Nobody has access to them except for Admirals

They are working in the shadows even if they are known to exist

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u/Unabashable Feb 22 '24

I don't think you know what "working in the shadows" means. It means no one knows you're doing it. You can't "work in the shadows" if the shadows in question are the ones being cast by the gigantic spotlight on them. Imu is "working in their shadows", sure. However if you're gonna continue with your mental gymnastics I refuse to spot you.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24

Nobody knows their plans, motives, or even actions behind the scenes

Everything public about the Gorosei is that they order the admirals and the admirals are their front facing operation

This is like arguing we know what the POTUS works on because we see their press conferences

Meanwhile it takes like 50 years to find out about CIA operations like Paperclip

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u/Chaosblast Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

It's a Shonen. They can't be. Power dictates. They wouldn't feel important if they were mediocre in battle.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24

Oda like Togashi really likes to play against tropes when he wants to

OP has been redefining the genre I don't think that's necessarily a good argument

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Yeah, it seems like Oda is showing the Gorosei as being on the level of a strong Yonko commander, but not on the level of an Admiral. Seems like a hint that Imu is Yonko/Roger level and that the Gorosei are like his Executives.

Oda didn't need the Gorosei to be 'top-tier' because he reserves that spot for captains/leaders, anyone who follows a higher boss just can't have true 'conqueror' level strength in One Piece, that takes haki/willpower/ambition that only their boss could have. The Gorosei aren't mediocre in battle, but they still can't compare to a Yonko in strength. :)

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u/Saturn-Is-Here Feb 22 '24

How Admirals > Gorosei? Do you realize that Saturn still has 100HP?

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

To be fair, we haven't seen enough to be sure of that, but that's how I feel Oda has portrayed their relative threat level this arc, maybe they are somewhat the same level, but I feel confident that he's at least indicated that Akainu is stronger than St. Saturn, even if Kizaru might not be. But still need to see Saturn really let loose, I guess.

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u/dcheng47 Feb 22 '24

where have we seen this comparison? This is our first time seeing the elders in action and he hasn't even taken his final form.

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Hybrid form is usually considered the strongest form, so he was in that originally. Although, since it's mythical we should probably not judge too quick.

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u/dcheng47 Feb 22 '24

Oda has been somewhat lax with how zoans manifest their different forms (luffy, sengoku, chopper) so i don't think it's safe to make that comparison. chopper has 8+ different "hybrid" forms.

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u/Aspie_Astrologer Void Month Survivor Feb 23 '24

Yeah, but Chopper does drugs.

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u/tokyogodfather2 Feb 27 '24

Akainu has proven that he is one of the best fighters in the series because he is strategic and amoral. In other words, he’s sneaky AF. Saturn is too arrogant to be a good fighter .

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u/sack_of_potahtoes The Revolutionary Army Feb 22 '24

against tropes ? like how ? i can see that with togashi. but isnt most of the story in one piece something very unoriginal if you think of each island story as an individual entity.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

Without doing an essay on Shonen tropes and how they're subverted in this story the ones that immediately come to mind are

Gear 5 and its design

Mihawk and Zorro's relationship

Luffy and Shanks relationship

Garp and Luffy's relationship

In the cases of the relationships I use those examples because there's a lot of grey area and complexity developed in them where in most of Shonen they would be more clear cut

Mihawk and Shanks would either be rivals or mentors but not both

Garp would either be pro Luffy being a pirate or against it but not both

How this points towards Oda subverting battle shonen expectations that the Gorosei would be top tier fighters is that he's not afraid to tell more complex ideas in his story so he's not beholden to a simple idea like because they're end game opposition they have to be end game level strong he's more than capable of telling a story within that gray area and illustrating their power is more political than physical

Edit: Hodi Jones is another example of Oda telling complex stories, how the concept of racism itself created the villain and not a personal trauma experience, his reasoning for doing what he does is not typical of a shonen villain

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u/Vinestra Feb 23 '24

He also makes everyone ugly cry too.. He also didn't leave the female characters behind

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u/sack_of_potahtoes The Revolutionary Army Feb 22 '24

i do not know . honestly i feel that is not compelling evidence. also feels like these specific relationships are not so against shonen tropes

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u/Perpli Feb 22 '24

Maybe but there's no doubt it's going to be revealed that Saturn is the weakest of them and that the others are on a different level entirely.

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown Pirate King Buggy Feb 22 '24

"Saturn that slob was a scientist, never knew how to fight. I, however am a beast of a different magnitude. Prepare yourselves."

Getting Yakuza/Judgement vibes.

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u/Soul699 Explorer Feb 22 '24

It's not Yakuza until both fighters take their shirt off drammatically.

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u/Weltenpilger Feb 22 '24

I know it's anyone's guess at this point, but I don't think there's much more to be revealed as far as power levels go. We're nearing the end of the story and Luffy has most likely reached the full extent of his power. And also this fight isn't over yet, we don't know what Saturn's new appearance means for his fighting capabilities. What I think is the most likely is that there are simply no easy battles ahead and a lot more strategizing and ingenuity will be required going forward. Just power scaling everything up just doesn't make sense imo.

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u/Wolf308 Feb 22 '24

I wouldn't call it the full extent of his powers. Gear 5 is new to him and his Haki can probably also be polished seeing what Shanks is able to do

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u/Unabashable Feb 22 '24

Well as far as Saturn's new fighting capabilities seems like he doesn't have to use the staff anymore. So I'm guessing this form effectively gives him a 360 degree range because before he was just kinda stepping on people. Not sure if his full beast mode has any effect on his personality or gives a boost to his death stare though.

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u/Gearsper29 Feb 22 '24

But there is a level above yonko. Prime Whitebeard, Roger, Im etc. I think the elders are at the level of the Yonko

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u/SanderStrugg Feb 22 '24

This. It would throw the entire worldbuilding off to have 5 hidden dudes run around comparable to Yonkou and admirals. A dude like Kaido or Shanks is strong enough to carve his own country in oposition to the World Government. Having 5 people like that in the background is stupid.

Even if the Gorosei are endgame enemies, there are more Strawhats than Luffy, who'll likely face Imu. Saturn, if he actually survives, could be an oponent for Robin or Franky. He does not need to be that powerful for that.

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u/krotoxx Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

I think it could be a mix of both with the notion of it looks like Saturn is losing his mind and becoming more of a beast inline with the awakening of the DF. They could only be super powerful because they have had the ability to get the strongest devil fruits not because they have mastered their powers. If they never took the time to master their Zoan style fruits, then they could slowly be turning into the beast inside similar to the impel down zoan fruit users where the more they stay awakened the more they become the animal of the fruit since they never trained to keep the devil in check. So someone who has mastered their fruits like say Doffy could beat a legendary zoan type that the elders have because theyve never fully mastered it

Thus they can seem super strong to the average person even vice admiral, but a true fighter could see their weakness and exploit it. So they rely on their name and stature

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u/ChirpingReynard Feb 23 '24

Idk, in this setting/world, I think it makes sense that they're personally over-powered. You don't remain in power for centuries without some sort of actual power your own.

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u/LngJhnSilversRaylee Feb 23 '24

I mean Imu has some mysterious power that can erase islands that explains their control by itself

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u/revisioncloud Feb 22 '24

And standing up to Kuma Sanji and G5 Luffy is already super impressive

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u/HibariK Feb 23 '24

I'm comfortable with them having stupidly strong DF capable of stupidly silly things but them not having a lot of combat sense, be it because they never did or because it dulled out

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u/NOBEL1UM Feb 22 '24

Yeah but acc. to my head cannon, since he's a warrior god it's only natural that he'll be a powerful fighter. The other gorosei do not have to be all powerful.

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u/culesamericano Feb 22 '24

na imu is the puppet master they should be stronger than admirals

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u/tontonheredero Feb 23 '24

Those 5 elders definitely give those kinds of vibes

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u/ruisen2 Feb 23 '24

Him being around yonko commander level is honestly pretty appropriate.