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Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1108 Spoiler

Chapter 1108: "Attention, World!"

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Ch. 1108 Official Release (Mangaplus): 25/02/2024

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u/Zahdok Feb 22 '24

The giants casually dropping that they know of sky islands

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u/BaroquesCafe Feb 22 '24

I ~believe~ way back in Sky Island they mentioned another path to sky islands. There was a theory that the tree on Elbaf was something you could climb to a sky island and it will eventually lead to Skypea. It’ll be a way to cross the Red Line w/o needing to travel by sea

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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Feb 22 '24

Oda going back to Skypeia after 20 years would be wild af

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u/BaroquesCafe Feb 22 '24

In all seriousness, if Elbaf does connect with sky island, it would be a time to reintroduce Enel.

I think they’ll use the pathway to go backwards, such as to Mariejois! Because it’ll be a more hidden route, since the Marines aren’t patrolling the white sea

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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 Feb 22 '24

Elbaf tree goes to the moon

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u/MdxBhmt Feb 23 '24

There ain't no moon, it's a fluorescent fruit from the tree. /s

(There is a moon, we saw enel going to it)

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u/do_the_cat Feb 22 '24

And along with sky island you could finish off the supernovas with Uroge

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u/Unabashable Feb 22 '24

Part of me just kinda wants him to drop into the story out of nowhere by dropping out of the sky like Kaidou, standing up, brushing off his shoulder, and being like "Sup."

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u/7DeadlySynergy Feb 22 '24

& one shot an Elder too

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u/Zealot_Alec Feb 23 '24

Enel to Elders "you dare call yourselves Gods in MY presence?"

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u/Roskal Black Leg Sanji Feb 22 '24

I don't get the people who skip second skypeia.

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u/ishmael555 Feb 22 '24

Skypiea skippers in shambles rn

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u/RXemedy Feb 22 '24

Jack and the giant bean stalk but in reverse

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u/Seranta Feb 22 '24

Yes, Ganfall mentioned it, but that it basically guarantees some deaths while knockup stream can have everyone live or everyone die. A yonkou crew might be able to defy the rule that there will always be deaths taking the traditional route. This also gives a second reason why the other route is unused besides it being dangerous. To even get on it you have to get the giants blessing. I like the theory.

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u/sloppyjo11 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Oda bout to do a Jack and the Beanstock but reversed lol

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u/rondosparks Feb 22 '24

Something about giants leading to a giant beanstalk.

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u/Kuro013 Feb 22 '24

They also said that path is extremely dangerous, but I doubt a crew of Giants thinks of anything as dangerous.

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u/J0n3s3n Feb 23 '24

I think the theory is that birka is the sky island you can reach by climbing up the beanstalk/yggdrasil on elbaf

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u/roshandp1 Feb 22 '24

It’s giving jack and the bean stock. Only makes sense that if giants live at top of the bean stock, that it would be on a sky island

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u/aLittleBitFriendlier Feb 22 '24

I imagine it's a beanstalk :)

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u/Slammybutt Feb 23 '24

It'll be called a bean stalk.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

They propably have on over Elbaf held by that gigantic tree and it propably is called Asgard.

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u/FlareGlutox Feb 22 '24

Or, you know, Jotunheim.

Now that I think about it, they might even have 9 different clouds to represent the realms. Or 8 with the ground of the island itself representing one.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

While I would love the idea of Oda using as much of norse mythology for Elbaf as possible I actually doubt he will go into that much depth.

Especially as Jotunheim is the world of the giants but they already live on Elbaf in OnePiece, wich from norse cosmology view would reside in Midgard so having 2 Giant lands above each other isn't necessary in my opinion.

The reason why I thought of Asgard immediatly is because of the fight Harjudin vs Machvise, where Harjudin ended the fight saying "I will send you to the land of the gods" while aiming at the sky. So he must have some concept of Asgard wich basicly is the lands of the gods above Midgard.

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u/joaocandre Feb 22 '24

it has been theorized that the "normal" way to get to Sky Islands is indeed through the tree in Elbaf (Adam?). I'm sure Oda will integrate stuff from Jack's and The Beanstalk story during Elbaf and tie it back to Skypea.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

I don't think the tree is connected to every sky island.

Because that would mean its branches would reach all over the world and I think that would ahve been mentioned before then.

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u/CabbageTheVoice Feb 22 '24

Only needs to be connected to a Sky island and then there could be different modes of travel between the different ones.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

But having to go through Elbaf as the "normal" way to visit a sky island seems much more dangerous than what the StrawHats did, actually

Also it still would mean you have to travel to the new world to get to Skypeia for example, wich is a huge detour.

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u/CabbageTheVoice Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

I might be wrong on this point but iirc it was said that the sky islands (or at least skypiea) do travel. This could be just a bad translation though, as I was consuming in german at that point.

But yeah, it could very well be that the "Normal" way to get to Skypiea is super treacherous and requires you to go through Elbaf. The only people we know of who reached Skypiea from the blue sea are Luffy and Roger anyways, no? It isn't supposed to be a usual stop on the route of someone traveling the grandline.

Also you are mistaken, even going through the New World and Elbaf isn't necessarily as dangerous as what the StrawHats did. It seems more tame to us because we are watching the protagonists and saw them succeed, but riding a knockup stream into the clouds is an insane thing to do and attempting it is mental.

The Knockup stream would in most cases just obliterate your ship, or miss it completely, or you would drop off while riding it, or you overshoot the target....

The Strawhats succeded because of a few factors, some of them being perhaps the most skillful navigator in the world with an intuitive feel for weather, winds and waves; A captain that doesn't give a single fuck and a whole buncha luck. Edit: One of the main themes of Jaya/Skypiea was also dreaming the impossible and thus the knockup stream fit in really well with that. But in no case should that be the common method to get there. Wasn't it also stated that it's a super rare event that the Knockup stream aligns just at the right time and place like it did for the SHs? I seem to remember that this was a once in a decade or once in a century thing.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Sky islands do not travel especially not Skypiea wich is still where hundreds of years ago a part of Jaya got launched into the air from a Knock Up Stream and it was still there when the Strawhats got there.

I don't recall the german dub saying the islands travel actually.

The only people we know of who reached Skypiea from the blue sea are Luffy and Roger anyways, no?

Bellamy visited Skypiea, he told Luffy in Dressrosa.

Also we saw Kaido and Urouge on a sky island before Kaido dropped down to Kid and the alliance. Sure Kaido can simply fly with his dragon form but you think Urouge had a free pass through Elbaf?

Further the island Kuma send Nami is a sky island.

Also you are mistaken, even going through the New World and Elbaf isn't necessarily as dangerous as what the StrawHats did.

BB was nearby when the Knock Up Stream happened and their ship just got blown up. They all were alright.

On Elbaf there are giants activly trying to kill you and you would have a hard time sailing through the new world already with all the powerfull pirates roaming around.

Just sailing through fishman island to reach the new world has been said to be risky on Sabaody.

So there are multiple deadly events going to the NewWorld and then through Elbaf instead of just using 1 single risky method.

If Elbaf was the "easy and normal" route then why did Roger use the Knock Up Stream then?

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u/CabbageTheVoice Feb 22 '24

Fair points!

regarding the traveling islands, I really wasn't sure on that front so thanks for clarifying!

Do we know how Bellamy reached Skypiea? You are right that I forgot about him but I don't remember whether he disclosed his method of travel.

Regarding Urogue I don't really know but would say we simply don't know shit about him yet and seeing as he seems to be part of some sky-folk, it isn't out of the question that he has means to reach them one way or another (Also whether or not Elbaf is a possible route, this and the knockup stream don't even have to be the only two ways to get up to the skies)

BB survived but they also didn't try to catch the knockup stream. Their ship still blew up just by being in the vicinity. Also since my point here is that surviving the ride on a knockup stream is like winning the lottery, BB and Roger are the 2 guys that I would put on the same luck tier as Luffy(Edit: Buggy would also go into that tier!), making them bad arguments for countering the "it takes insane luck to survive the KU-stream" argument. Bellamy would be a way better fit for your argument here, assuming he also took the knockup stream.

And yeah, I'm not saying that going through Elbaf would be an "easy" route, just that the Knock Up stream is not something that someone just rides for the fun of it. A Buster Call is also something that should see basically noone surviving, yet Robin already survived 2 of them, soon to be 3. When talking about "normal" routes whatever that means when it comes to something as uncommon as people travelling from the blue sea to the sky islands, we really should think about this from the PoV of relatively normal dudes(Yes even just sailing the grand line requires more or less exceptional people), not the main characters of this world.

All this not to say you are wrong, you are making good points. Just don't think all your arguments are equally strong.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Do we know how Bellamy reached Skypiea?

No. He just casually mentioned he visited it to Luffy on Dressrosa.

The OnePiece Wiki says he used the knock up stream because he mentioned he lost his crew on the trip but he never actually stated it.

Regarding Urogue I don't really know but would say we simply don't know shit about him yet and seeing as he seems to be part of some sky-folk, it isn't out of the question that he has means to reach them one way or another

Wich basicly says there are other ways than Elbaf to reach sky islands.

"it takes insane luck to survive the KU-stream"

And it takes more than luck to make it all the way to Elbaf and through the island unharmed, climbing the tree to reach something as you said many people actually say is a myth.

So going into the most hostile sea, going through a hostile nation with the strongest army of the world doesn't really say "normal way" to me.

And yeah, I'm not saying that going through Elbaf would be an "easy" route, just that the Knock Up stream is not something that someone just rides for the fun of it. A Buster Call is also something that should see basically noone surviving, yet Robin already survived 2 of them, soon to be 3.

Good point, yes it isn't a easy way but on a knock up stream no one is activly hindering you.

Huge difference to me.

When talking about "normal" routes whatever that means when it comes to something as uncommon as people travelling from the blue sea to the sky islands, we really should think about this from the PoV of relatively normal dudes(Yes even just sailing the grand line requires more or less exceptional people), not the main characters of this world.

Yes and Elbaf doesn't allow normal people onto their island, wich basicly is my point.

A "normal" way should be something accessible to anyone.

Elbaf is not open to everyone.

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u/joaocandre Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

The "normal" way is definetly in the New World though, considering people though of sky islands as a myth in the first half of the GL. That makes it dangerous by default. Also, it's never implied to be a safe journey regardless. In any case, riding the knock-up stream is almost impossible most of the time because you need to predict it and then be able to navigate it. If the SHs didn't meet the Montblac dude they'd never make it.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

What has people in paradise thinking it is a myth todo with the normal way HAS to be in the new world?

There are propably many people in the new world not knowing about sky islands, either.

Sky islands are simply rare and not easily accessible. But all of them only being accessible through one extrem heavily guarded point in the new world makes no sense to me.

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u/DisMeDog Feb 22 '24

Honestly it makes perfect sense to me, otherwise the WG would have some presence up there. I don’t think the sky islands are a place people are meant to go to in the first place.

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Why would the WG care about that?

There are far more non-WG countires in the blue sea for them to care about rare sky islands

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u/joaocandre Feb 22 '24 edited Feb 22 '24

I'm assuming if there was a way to get up there nearby, they'd have regular or occasional contact with sky people, their culture, or otherwise travelers going to/from and the whole myth aspect would be debunked.

I'm not saying you could access every sky island through Elbaf, there is no indication that they are all somehow connected, though I assume there is some way of traveling between different sky islands. It's just that use the knock-up stream is pretty much the most unconventional way to get there, and hence their surprise at the arrival of the SHs - the alternative doesn't need to be straightforward.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

Yggsdrasil*

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u/Xark96 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

Yggdrasil is the tree

I spoke about the potential sky island ontop wich will be called Asgard

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '24

Ah I thought you meant the tree.

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u/Devoidoxatom Bandit Feb 22 '24

I've always thought that would be common knowledge in the New World, or at least for stronger pirates in the New World like this giants crew. It was only those Paradise weaklings laughing at the idea of sky islands

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u/Solo_Jawn Feb 22 '24

Yeah it seems kind of weird at this point that people don't know of the Sky islands. Same deal as people outside of the GL not knowing much about DFs

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u/Jail_Chris_Brown Pirate King Buggy Feb 22 '24

Yggdrasil, the entrance to the sky island and all that.

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u/catthatmeows2times Feb 22 '24

I mean yea the entrance to sky island is trough elbaf

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u/BioLizard18 The Revolutionary Army Feb 22 '24

The fact that is quite likely to be foreshadowing something at Elbaf just shows how good Oda is at setting this stuff up.

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u/OperationMelodic4273 Feb 22 '24

Ikr

I saw speculated here and there that Elbaf might actually feature a sky island up their yggdrasil tee so this may be hinting to that

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u/Starob Feb 22 '24

Jack and the Beanstalk.

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u/Xyjz12 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '24

roger said that there's a different way on going to skypeia besides the geyser, that you have to go to elbaf or something

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u/CelioHogane Feb 24 '24

I mean, there is definetly sky islands in Elbaf.

No way there isn't a bean sprout with a castle in the sky, it's the fucking FABLE country.