r/JewsOfConscience Nov 16 '24

Discussion Just refused service, solid chance I might end up in jail

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Like the title says, they called me to serve in gaza to prepare the land for settlements and I said no.

I've spoken with a few other people who are conscientious objectors and they told me most reserve objectors don't end up in jail, but there is a good chance I might be the first one.

In any case it's gonna be a lonely road until I'll get away from this wretched land

Edit:

Just to clarify - They didn't say that we are going to gaza to resettle it.

They (the unit) told me I'm sent to help with the humanitarian aid to Gazans. But the role of the unit itself is to replace the state in civil matters. (I.e schools, water, electricity, infrastructure and what not). This in itself is a tool of Israel to suppress the Palestinians, make them dependent on us after we destroyed their means of living.

This, plus what some government ministers have said publicly about resettling gaza is what led me to this conclusion.

I could be wrong, but I'm positive that I'm not.

Edit2:

Just passed my trial, fortunately I'm not the first to end up in jail, for now...

They gave me a week of 'probation' and if they call me again in that timeframe and I refuse it's probably gonna end up in jail time

Thank you very much for all the kind words, I seriously felt isolated until I saw your beautiful comments and received a lot of support from past objectors.

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 28 '24

Discussion On condemning Hamas

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This will sound super controversial, but please hear me out: I can no longer say I condemn Hamas.

Right now I dont feel comfortable saying I support it either, but listening to Palestinian voices on the matter has really changed my perspective. Multiple palestinians and allies have explained that for all the bad things they do, armed resistance is still necessary for liberation and without Hamas, Israel would finish the job of ethnically cleansing Gaza—turning it into the West Bank with settlements and a continuous Israeli presence.

On tumblr a Palestinian blogger has explained that Israel, the US and other imperial powers seek do demilitarize Gaza and the west bank, and if they achieve that and Hamas lays down its arms it will set back Palestinian liberation for decades the same way the plot/Yasser Arafat set back Palestinian unity and resistance by giving into negotiations during the intifada.

These are my thoughts. I hope to receive comments that are thoughtful and contribute to furthering the understanding for solidarity with Palestinians.

r/JewsOfConscience Nov 10 '24

Discussion Do you think its a pogrom or is it going too far to say that?

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r/JewsOfConscience Nov 06 '24

Discussion I’m terrified about trump

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That's about it for now. I am 1000% in agreement with everyone who has been horrified by the Biden administration's enabling of genocide. I didn't have a ton of hope that Harris/waltz would do things differently but a tiny part of myself thought that maybe Kamala would do better. I could have been wrong! But My heart is beyond shattered thinking about what could happen to Palestinians under a Trump presidency. And I of course fear for everyone here in the US. I just don't know. This is really scary

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 02 '24

Discussion Seriously worried about rising antisemitism

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I've started seeing the following frequently online:

-"Hitler was right. Look what they're doing"

-"There's a reason the Jews have been expelled from 109 countries. See how they behave"

-"Judaism is a religion of violent extremism."

-"How do we know the Holocaust happened? They're probably lying about it just like they're lying about the history of Palestine".

My favourite football club posted a Shana Tova message for its followers and there were hundreds of comments responding things like "not supporting you anymore because you support terrorism".

It seems that the actions of the rogue settler colony are SERIOUSLY leading to increased antisemitism. And these aren't right wingers. These are ordinary people. Many of them are unfortunately from other middle eastern countries. And I know that when I show this to Zionists they'll just see it as further proof why we need to support Israel more. It's breaking my heart.

I honestly am disappointed in people. I expect ignorance and bigotry from the privileged, the right and westerners. I don't expect it from people who can see the damage Israel is doing. It seems human beings are incapable of understanding that Israel and Judaism are not the same.

r/JewsOfConscience Nov 15 '24

Discussion If any of you guys saw Dan Bilzerian’s interview on Piers Morgan, I just wanted to say, if you are anti-semitic, you are not pro-Palestinian.

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Genuine anti-Semitic remarks from people with huge platforms who claim to be “pro-Palestine” is so incredibly damaging and disgusting.

r/JewsOfConscience 25d ago

Discussion Got attacked on another sub by someone who had been browsing me from my posts here…

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I was rudely awaken to this response from someone who has clearly been having me on my radar from here because in my flair here I say I’m Christian with Jewish heritage. This was on another sub, so clearly this person has been looking out for my posts. I assumed allies who weren’t Jewish were welcome on this sub, and I hope this person is just an unpleasant one off, because I’ve found everyone else here to be lovely so far.

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 20 '24

Discussion Where do the Jews go?

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I am very against Israel’s genocide, leaning toward antizionism, but when someone Zionist asks where the Jews go in a free Palestine, I don’t have an answer. Historically, not a lot of people accept us or like us, and getting along after all the violence committed in the name of Judaism is an impossibility.

How do we not just exchange one crisis for another? (I don’t think any one religion or people should rule a state, if that adds anything.)

If this is an ignorant question, I am more than happy to be told so.

EDIT: wow this community is brilliant, thank you for the nuance and realism in your responses.

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 30 '24

Discussion Another question! What are some antisemitic things you think pro-Palestinians should be on the lookout for?

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Even though what Israel is doing is wrong, there are people who use this conflict to spread actual antisemitism.

Some things I look out for are the usage of the word Jews vs Zionists. Someone saying "Jews are doing xyz" is super indicative of antisemitism to me rather than "Zionists are doing xyz"

I also try to keep a lookout for any racist/antisemitic political cartoons.

I also don't engage with anything any actual antisemites have said, even if what they said is true about Israel. For instance, there was a compilation of videos of people speaking on Israel and I liked the video before it ended. Then, a clip of Kanye was included. I unliked and hit "not interested" so fast. I made a post about it on a different social media platform because with the way the internet pushes algorithms, the more you interact with generalized statements or videos including actual antisemitism, the further down the rabbit hole you'll get. It starts off small then gets bigger and bigger until you're fully in an antisemitic headspace. Someone won't even know it's happening potentially.

I also look out for numbers, specifically 1488, but I know there's probably others used just as much that I'm not aware of. One thing that makes it hard is the 88 because someone's username could be blahblah88 but they were born in 1988, so I try to use context clues there. Funny side note: I created a Tumblr account like 10 years ago named 88pathsuntraveled or something. Idk why I chose 88, that's just what I went with. Someone messaged me saying hey..... you might wanna change that.... I did it literally after reading their message lol

So I'm just wondering, what other things could I look out for? I want to fight for the Palestinians but also advocate for and defend Jewish people at the same time.

r/JewsOfConscience Jun 18 '24

Discussion Can we talk about the role of non Jewish allies in this sub?

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This is an alt, but on a previous thread with a different account, I had three different people with ally flair mansplain to me what jvp is and suggest how to engage my parents in convo in response to me answering a different question. I’ve been having this conversation on various forms with my parents for 15 years. I’ve lost friend and family relationships over Israel/Palestine issues for 15 years. I come to this sub to process and discuss this stuff with folks who get it. This is our space.

If I’m asking for advice, fine, but I’m really struggling with feeling like I’m being mansplained to by folks who are not Jewish.

Are other folks feeling this too? Am I being overly sensitive?

To be clear, I LOVE that y’all are lurking here. I lurk on many subs for communities I don’t belong to. But I do not chime in, basically ever, because I want folks in that community to have their space. The only exception is when I’m explicitly asked to chime in.

r/JewsOfConscience Nov 17 '24

Discussion Forming a Anti-Zionist Denomination of Judaism

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Seeing the stickied post regarding people seeking out progressive (particularly anti-Zionist) Jewish services, I wanted to talk about the formation of a progressive anti-Zionist Jewish denomination.

While there are progressive denominations of Judaism (e.g. Humanistic), these denominations don’t explicitly render themselves as anti-Zionist in the fact that they don’t declare “that there should not be a Jewish state”.

A new denomination such as this would need to remove practices phrases, statements and literature making overtures to the Holy Land and focus on community and belief in God. I see this as parallel to how some branches of Humanistic Judaism avoid using theonyms (names associated with God e.g. Joshua).

Thoughts?

r/JewsOfConscience Jul 22 '24

Discussion Dementia is Disqualifying, but Not Genocide

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It's really disturbing to me that dementia is disqualifying for Joe Biden, but him doing a genocide is not. That shows how Palestinians are viewed in America by the political class.

If only Hitler had dementia, maybe we could've gotten rid of him sooner, since the Holocaust wouldn't have been a problem for him with his domestic constituency.

What do others think?

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 13 '24

Discussion Another deranged comment from this fellow, who appears to be protected by Columbia Univ. administration. Whereas anti-Zionist teachers are fired for opposing Israel's genocide - this clownshoe says actual crazy shit regularly without so much as a reproach.

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r/JewsOfConscience Oct 28 '24

Discussion Rising Antisemitism

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I have witnessed so much antisemitism everytime I go online it's starting to become worrying. I see non Jewish leftists say that antisemitism isn't a real problem for Jews in America, usually being boiled down to "most Jews are white, rich, and have never experienced antisemitic violence physically". Yet antisemitism is rising and is a real problem that we should still consider in this time of jewish identity being weaponized and the jewish supremacy that is enacted in Occupied Palestine. Stating "most jews are white" seems harmful and also just false. Also Jews have always been hesitant to be apart of surveys so it's hard to find legitimate info on these things. Am I alone in this?

EDIT: I am not talking about any specific statistics or surveys. This is based on what I've personally seen scrolling on social media. I understand/agree there isn't a clear way to see that based on largely pro zionist orgs. EDIT PT 2: I am not saying that Pro Palestinian sentiment is antisemitism. I am talking about LEGITIMATE antisemitism. This is not a post talking about false accusations of antisemitism based in Zionism.

r/JewsOfConscience May 07 '24

Discussion Feeling tokenised on this sub

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I've been getting the impression lately that so much of this sub is becoming posts like "as jews of conscience, what do you think of X?" or "as real jews who believe in real judaism, what do you think of Y?" These questions are from non-jews. I appreciate non-jewish allies taking part in this sub but lately it's feeling that it's just people trying to paint us as "the good jews". This sub is about being jewish and anti-Zionist and the struggles that come with that. It's not a sub for us to parade around claiming to be the "true jews" or for people to parade us around like that. We are jewish and we oppose Zionism but the Zionist jews are also jewish. We're no less or more jewish than they are. And we're not here to justify judaism in the face of Zionism. There are a million (very important) subs where there is general discussion about Palestine and the genocide in Gaza. But I feel like this sub should be something for us.

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 11 '24

Discussion Campaign victory: "Two Nice Jewish Boys" podcast removed from Patreon

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Hey everybody I'm here with some rare good news.

Because so many of you supported my campaign, posted last week in this subreddit, to report the "Two Nice Jewish Boys” podcast for breaching platform terms of service (specifically hate speech). They have been removed from Patreon!

Give yourselves a pat on the back.

r/JewsOfConscience Apr 23 '24

Discussion Being a Jewish Anti-Zionist feels exhausting.

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First off, I’m an American and I am aware of exactly how much privilege that affords me.

But at the same time I feel like I’m fighting on all fronts - I’m fighting my own people, sometimes my own family, who cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge the crimes against humanity being committed. Heck even if I censor myself and my true feelings about Israel (that it was made as a monument to antisemitism, not a place to fight it) I’m a “traitor”

And then when there is actual antisemitism if I call it out, I get attacked for it and called a zionazi.

I am just so tired and worn out emotionally from all this. It feels like the group of people I can rely on or trust is very small.

r/JewsOfConscience Jul 25 '24

Discussion Kamala Harris Statement of Protests

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r/JewsOfConscience Nov 16 '24

Discussion I’m a Palestinian American and I want to thank all of you

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I'm probably breaking a lot of posting rules and I apologize, but I discovered this sub not even an hour ago and reading through all these posts brought me to tears. Thank you all so much for speaking truth to power in what I know is a very hostile enviornment. I fight with friends and family members back home constantly trying to break the lumping in of all Jews into the same group as militant Zionists and it's an uphill battle. This sub is such a great resource to help me with that. Thank you all again.

r/JewsOfConscience Sep 23 '24

Discussion Are there any Israelis living in Israel in this sub?

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Do you feel alone in your point of view, or do you have many friends that agree with you? What is it like to be in Israel for you? Were the protests that we saw in Israel just to bring the hostages home and for Netanyahu to resign, or also calling what's going on a genocide and to actually free Palestine? Do you, or do you know, anyone who refuses to participate in the IDF? I'm just very curious what it is like to live in Israel right now.

r/JewsOfConscience Nov 04 '24

Discussion Fellow Americans, Please Vote

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I know that Kamala won't improve anything in regards to the current genocide. I know that no matter who wins, hundreds of thousands of innocents will still die.

But please, for my sake, still vote.

If Trump comes in to power, my existence will be criminalized. I won't be able to get the medicine I need, and he's liable to put me and people like me into jail just for being who I am. He's liable to put you into jail for being who you are too, unless you're specifically a white Christian.

Fellow Jews, don't think Trump and his cult aren't antisemitic just because they're Zionists. Just like antizionism isn't antisemitism, Zionism isn't pro-Jew. When thousands of people descended on Charlottesville to declare that "Jews will not replace us", it was the Trump supporters. When a local synagogue got attacked by a terrorist when I was in college (the Poway Synagogue Shooting), it was a Trump supporter.

Fellow antizionists, don't think that Trump will only be as bad as Kamala. Kamala will allow the current genocide to continue unabated unless we can convince her otherwise; Trump will push Israel to accelerate it until there's nothing left to destroy. Kamala at least gives lip service to a "two state solution", even if her actions don't support it; Trump's published plan is to transition Palestine from an Apartheid to something even less than the USA's reservation system. He is the reason that Israel feels so confident in its situation in the Middle East to even allow it to start this current genocide. He literally bribed Saudi Arabia and the UAE with military might in exchange for their normalization with Israel.

Make no mistake, either way is a vote to continue the genocide of Gaza. But this is not a regular trolley problem, where flipping the switch will save 5 lives and not flipping the switch will save 1. Instead, one "person" is tied on both tracks; the only question is whether you flip the switch to save the other 4. As much as I despise it, genocide is not on the ballot.

r/JewsOfConscience Mar 12 '24

Discussion Was anyone else radicalized on Palestine after going on Birthright?

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Yes I know, Birthright is bad and literally just propaganda. I was a dumb college kid. My dad tried to convince me not to go, but I saw it as an opportunity to go get drunk and party in a Mediterranean country for free (and looking back, the thought of doing that in an occupied land is fucked up). I regret it, but in many ways that trip is what really woke me up to being an anti-Zionist. Prior to it, I was pretty agnostic on Israel/Palestine. I knew there was a lot of brainwashing in Hebrew school, but I didn’t know to what extent.

Anyways here’s a rundown of a lot of the things that happened on Birthright that helped wake me up on I/P. Sorry for the very long post, there are just so many things that happened on this trip that kind of broke my brain.

I was harassed at the airport. I don’t look stereotypically Jewish and don’t have a particularly Jewish name. The security pulled me aside and very intensely interrogated me in a side room. They asked me all sorts of questions for like 20 minutes about my family, if I remembered my Bar Mitzvah Torah portion, questions about Jewish holidays. I was singled out from the group because I don’t fit the mold of what American Jews look like. This doesn’t compare to the harassment that Palestinians face when coming back, but it was the first peek behind the curtain for me.

We were in Tiberias in the North for a couple days. They took us to Mount Bental in the Golan Heights, where they told us the amazing story of how Israel defended itself in the 1967 war and how they scared off Syrian forces by pretending they had a full force of tanks when they really didn’t (I don’t remember the full details). Anyways we’re at the top of the mountain and the tour guide is telling us about how Golan is rightfully Israeli territory and how important it is that they took it, because it would be a mess right now during the Syrian Civil War.

A lot of the staff at the resort we stayed at were Palestinian. They weren’t allowed to talk to us. One of them overheard me speaking on the phone to my parents in Spanish, and he told me he grew up in Mexico. So we conversed in Spanish, and he told me a lot about how hard life was beyond the green line, how the only real opportunity to make money is basically being the servant underclass for Israelis, and how he lost two siblings when he was very young. He told me all this in Spanish because I think he was being monitored.

On our way to Jerusalem, we took a shortcut through the West Bank. It felt so weird driving along a road that was insanely militarized and with a massive fence on the other side. Everyone on the bus is hungover and laughing and having a good time while there is a giant militarized fence on the other side of the road.

I can’t remember at what point on the trip, but one evening we had a representative from the Israeli government come to our hotel and give us all a lecture about Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and all sorts of archaeological digs and discoveries that they had made.

We get to Jerusalem and they take us to Mount Scopus, where there’s a big ceremony with drumming and singing Hebrew songs. This is where the Israeli soldiers joined our trip. Of course all the kids on the trip start fawning over them. A couple soldiers asked me about my ethnic background, asked if I was part-Arab. When I said I might be (because Jews and Arabs intermingled a lot in Andalusian Spain and then in Morocco), they gave me a stank face. A lot of these soldiers also looked ethnically Sephardi or Mizrahi, so it was odd of them to judge me for saying I’m probably part-Arab.

One soldier in particular was interested in me and she wouldn’t stop asking me questions and just having conversations with me. I was 19, she was 21/22 and way out of my league, so naturally I was enthralled by her. She basically would not leave my side for the rest of the trip. The propaganda hot girls are very real.

They take us to the Western Wall. Most of the other kids were having spiritual moments and crying and just being overwhelmed with emotions being there. I was impressed by the size and age of the wall, but I frankly felt more culturally tied to things when I visited southern Spain and Morocco (the Sephardi homeland).

We go to a Bedouin camp in the desert. The guide tells us how Bedouins are “good Arabs” because they took Israeli citizenship and many serve in the army. We also went to one of the unrecognized Bedouin villages in the Negev. It felt weird going somewhere as a tourist to visit a place that is severely neglected by the government. The soldiers left our trip around this point, but they said they might meet up with us again in Tel Aviv later.

We’re in Tel Aviv towards the end of the trip. We get a free half-day to wander around. The tour guide told us not to go to Jaffa because “it’s dangerous”. We had a lovely time, the Arab people were incredibly kind and generous.

I went to a market to buy olive oil for my mom. The merchant told me that the keffiyeh I was wearing was “made in China bull shit” so he gave me an authentic keffiyeh with my purchase. He told me to remember that Palestinians are real people, that they exist, and that they just want to be able to live their lives in peace. This conversation really woke me up.

I bought a Hapoel Tel Aviv soccer jersey in a souk in Jaffa. Some of the soldiers that came back to meet us asked me why I’d wear the “Communist” and “Arab lover” team shirt.

It’s our last night on the trip. The soldiers go out with us for drinks and hookah. The female soldier that was buddying up to me bought me a ton of drinks that night. We slept together that night, said bye in the morning, and then the group was on its way back to the US.

That female soldier messaged me for months telling me how badly she wanted to move to America. It really felt like she wanted me to marry her or that she was desperate to leave Israel.

Looking back, I can’t tell if this was a unique experience to me that I left Birthright so disillusioned with Israel. Basically everyone else who was on that trip is posting pro-Israel stuff online. I had to cut off contact with most of them, I can’t believe people have been so fully indoctrinated that they cannot see the humanity in Palestinians.

Anybody else who went on Birthright have experiences that changed your views on Israel? I’d love to know.

Edit: another thing that really struck me was the lack of Ladino or Yiddish speakers or culture. I asked the tour guide about the languages and he said that most Ladino speakers eventually just adopted Hebrew, and that the only people that really spoke Yiddish are Chasids.

I’m not fluent in either but I do speak a bit of both. I think it’s so interesting that we have these diasporic languages that blend the local vernacular with Hebrew and other languages. It wasn’t till I got home that I did research and found out that those languages were repressed in favor of Modern Hebrew so that there would be a “cohesive Israeli identity”.

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 27 '24

Discussion Cultural exchange with /r/Arabs!

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Hi everyone,

Today we will be having a cultural exchange with r/Arabs - beginning at 8AM EST, but extending for about 2 days so feel free to post your questions/comments over the course of that time-frame.

The exchange will work similarly to an AMA, except users from their sub will be asking us questions in this thread for anyone to answer, and users from our sub can go to a thread there to ask questions and get answers from their users!

To participate in the exchange, see the following thread in /r/Arabs:

https://old.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/1gd9eb3/cultural_exchange_rjewsofconscience/

Big thanks to the mods over at /r/Arabs for reaching out to us with this awesome idea! Thanks to MoC for posting the original post.

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 22 '24

Discussion I just feel so ashamed, lied to and hopeless.

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My ancestors deaths meant nothing. I was brought up believing their deaths meant something. That all the education and all the stories and all the museums and all the damn movies, about what happened to our people during the shoah would help stop genocide from ever happening again. And not just to Jews but to any ethnicity.

Little did I know that I have been lied to by Zionism and that what we’re seeing isn’t new it’s been happening since 1948 and that the Zionists have hoodwinked our people and have put every single jewish life at risk in the name of a colonial ethnic-state and almost every jewish elder, mentor, and role model refuses to see what is so blatantly happening in front of our eyes.

I feel shame. Embarrassment. I feel ignorant. I feel naive. I feel stupid. What can I possibly do? A majority of Jews don’t see it as a genocide. I’m in the minority. What can we do? I have no sense of hope anymore. Palestinians deserve to be heard and I’m watching the media continually silence them and paint them the way the Nazi’s painted us.

r/JewsOfConscience Oct 27 '24

Discussion At a Jewish Wedding…

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I’m currently outside of the wedding venue. I had to step out because they handed out little Israeli flags on the dance floor as party favors. The utter disregard and nonchalance these people display when celebrating a genocidal nation is baffling. It made me so physically ill and upset that I had to step out. Maybe I’m dramatic or I drank too much but it brought me to tears. There are real, innocent people dying and these people are celebrating their killers at some random party and for what?