r/JewsOfConscience • u/NewVentures66 Anti-Zionist Ally • Nov 28 '24

Activism Israeli 18-year-olds Soul Behar Tzalik and Iddo Elam refuse to enlist in IDF, await prison sentences

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 29d ago

I’m pretty sure that we’ll soon be seeing some very intelligent and not at all permanently online people saying to these actual kids still living with their parents: ”Umm, you want a cookie, or something?! Leave Palestine, you settlers!”, expecting them to get in a rowboat and fucking stroke their way to Greece, or something… 🙄

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u/reenajo 29d ago

Thankfully the overwhelming majority of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims I know do not think like this, and I have never heard such an opinion uttered non-anonymously in real life.

Online, it's not infrequently Zionist plants who say such things, btw -- to try to make anti-zionists look bad and further the Zionist narrative.

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u/BooknFilmNerd09 Anti-Zionist Ally 29d ago

Well, I have seen some not at all anonymous Palestinians (and white allies) say out loud, unambiguously, that “all settlers must leave Palestine”.

It seems like a pretty sizable amount of people want an Algeria or Zimbabwe style liberation of Palestine — not a South Africa style one…

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u/TutsiRoach 25d ago

Ask in south africa, ireland, newzeland etc before people were given equal rights and 90+% would have said they wanted their country back and the colonists to leave.

The reality is once treated like a human being this sentiment all but vanishes.

I like others here can attest that i have never heard a Palestinian say this ever, even 20 years ago when it was in their charter those i spoke with just wanted peace and for their children to be safe. Many wanted recent arrivals to leave but conceded voluntarily that for those with nowhere else to go or who were born into israel would be welcome to stay provided they had equal rights

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u/reenajo 29d ago

I think typically if you ask these people "does "all settlers" include Jews born on the land with some settler ancestry, who are willing to give up Jewish privilege and integrate into decolonized Palestinian society with equal rights?" in a way that doesn't sound like you're attacking or undermining their attempt to prioritize Palestinian liberation, they'll say "no", or reveal misconceptions about the origins of Israelis that are useful to correct.