r/JewsOfConscience • u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist • Nov 17 '24

Discussion Forming a Anti-Zionist Denomination of Judaism

Seeing the stickied post regarding people seeking out progressive (particularly anti-Zionist) Jewish services, I wanted to talk about the formation of a progressive anti-Zionist Jewish denomination.

While there are progressive denominations of Judaism (e.g. Humanistic), these denominations don’t explicitly render themselves as anti-Zionist in the fact that they don’t declare “that there should not be a Jewish state”.

A new denomination such as this would need to remove practices phrases, statements and literature making overtures to the Holy Land and focus on community and belief in God. I see this as parallel to how some branches of Humanistic Judaism avoid using theonyms (names associated with God e.g. Joshua).

Thoughts?

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist Nov 17 '24

No, it seems that your projecting.

I made a singular claim about Anti-Zionism and taken it to the end degree. I said nothing about anything else, unless in support of reinterpreting Anti-Zionism into Judaism.

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u/loselyconscious Traditionally Radical Nov 17 '24

You said you want to "remove practices phrases, statements and literature making overtures to the Holy Land"

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist Nov 17 '24

Yes, and that is all related to my take on Anti-Zionism.

Why care to make overtures to a land if it doesn't have to be core to the faith?

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u/loselyconscious Traditionally Radical Nov 17 '24

The land is core to my faith, the state is not. You can't have Judaism with the land. 

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

Why does that land have to be core to having faith in Judaism?

In Bablyon, it was thought that you could not praise Hashem if you were not within the land.

Now people do.

Likewise, currently many think we need to include the land in the traditions.

In the future, people may not feel the need to include it.

Edit: typo

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u/loselyconscious Traditionally Radical Nov 18 '24

It's not the core, but its a core. You would have to throw out almost all of the liturgy

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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist Nov 18 '24

Possibly, but again, it's not as if the liturgy hasn't been changed before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible