r/JewsOfConscience Oct 28 '24

Discussion Rising Antisemitism

I have witnessed so much antisemitism everytime I go online it's starting to become worrying. I see non Jewish leftists say that antisemitism isn't a real problem for Jews in America, usually being boiled down to "most Jews are white, rich, and have never experienced antisemitic violence physically". Yet antisemitism is rising and is a real problem that we should still consider in this time of jewish identity being weaponized and the jewish supremacy that is enacted in Occupied Palestine. Stating "most jews are white" seems harmful and also just false. Also Jews have always been hesitant to be apart of surveys so it's hard to find legitimate info on these things. Am I alone in this?

EDIT: I am not talking about any specific statistics or surveys. This is based on what I've personally seen scrolling on social media. I understand/agree there isn't a clear way to see that based on largely pro zionist orgs. EDIT PT 2: I am not saying that Pro Palestinian sentiment is antisemitism. I am talking about LEGITIMATE antisemitism. This is not a post talking about false accusations of antisemitism based in Zionism.

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u/BeardedDragon1917 Oct 28 '24 edited Oct 28 '24

The problem is that mainstream Jewish institutions are lumping together the vast majority of Palestine activism in with the genuine antisemitism, making statements like “antisemitism is rising” difficult to really analyze. These people insist that saying “free Palestine” or “from the river to the sea” are statements of genocidal, intent, so remember that when you hear people talking about a massive increases in anti-Semitic incidences. That kind of headline serves a purpose. Zionists use these declarations of rising antisemitism as a way of deflecting criticism from themselves and to justify their actions, and they’ve always done this. Zionism is an ethnic supremacy movement that requires its believers to feel like they are in constant threat of persecution everywhere, except for Israel.

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u/BeardedDragon1917 Oct 29 '24

How can you say with a straight face that antisemitism is a problem but “from the River to the Sea” is fine? From what river to what sea? A large contingent of people who use this phrase want to eject the Jews in Israel and replace them with Palestinians.

You don’t know what river and what sea it’s referring to? Then maybe you shouldn’t be going around telling people what the phrase means, since you don’t know the first thing about it?

No, it’s not a call to get rid of every Jew in Israel, it’s a call for freedom everywhere in Israel, for Palestinians who are currently living under apartheid. You do not get to displace and murder millions of people and then speak for them. Considering that Zionists are completely unashamed of their desire to eliminate Palestinians from the land, it seems to me like you’re just doing psychological projection to try and assuage some of the guilt you must be feeling for supporting a new Holocaust.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 30 '24

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u/JewsOfConscience-ModTeam Oct 30 '24

This uses Zionist tropes and content.

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u/BeardedDragon1917 Oct 29 '24 edited Oct 29 '24

You know, the Nazis also justified their atrocities by claiming that it was an act of self-defense. I guess what Israel is doing is less of a holocaust inversion, and more of a sequel.

The vast majority of Pro Palestine people are not advocating for all of the Jews of Israel to be expelled, and you know very well that there is absolutely no chance that Hamas would be able to actually threaten Israeli territory. You have to make up imaginary scenarios where you’re the victim because in the real world you’ve killed hundreds of thousands of people, and you’ll go down in history as villains in the same category as Nazis.

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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Oct 29 '24

This is very racist. I'm sorry to see that you have this mindset of assuming all Palestinians are as aggressive and genocidal as the Israeli state they're currently dying under. It's wild that you can watch a genocide that is actually occurring, and your main response to it is "well that's sad, but imagine a world where the opposite was happening?? Imagine if those savages Hamas Palestinians went and killed ALL their colonizers, in a way that's literally never happened in history, but I'm vividly imagining? Despite them being impoverished, badly armed, and malnourished versus the highly militarized and wealthy state of Israel? Wouldn't that be horrible? Let's condemn the student protestors against the genocide before doing anything else, just so that the picture I'm making in my mind is always addressed before anything else!"

Hopefully you can reflect on why you see Palestinians as so inherently violent. Or just assume the worst about everyone, always. Up to you.