r/JewsOfConscience • u/_II_I_I__I__I_I_II_ Jewish Anti-Zionist • Oct 13 '24

Discussion Another deranged comment from this fellow, who appears to be protected by Columbia Univ. administration. Whereas anti-Zionist teachers are fired for opposing Israel's genocide - this clownshoe says actual crazy shit regularly without so much as a reproach.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '24 edited Oct 14 '24

So I was born and raised in the Mizrahi community in Israel, and have a bit of insight from being on the “inside” of that community.

What you are saying is 100% true in a historical context. But this general analysis has not been updated since the post-second intifada era. I don’t wanna write a whole essay on differences in birth rates and demographic change in 21st century Israeli society. But I think a great signifier that this analysis is largely outdated, is the fact that “Ashkenazi” is now considered a political/societal slur in Israel. The modern Israeli Mizrahi community are far more religious and Zionist than the Ashkenazi society that formed the state of Israel. Israelis who entirely descend from Ashkenazi ancestry are only around 30% of the population (70% are either mixed or entirely Mizrahi/Sephardic). And this demographic trend is only growing. This is why the analysis you refer to needs to be updated and adjusted for the current and future reality

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u/ContentChecker Jewish Anti-Zionist Oct 14 '24

Have you read Shay Hazkani's 'Dear Palestine'?

I don't want to psycho-analyze or generalize, but when you mentioned that Mizrahi are now more Zionist than the Ashkenazi, it reminded me of a passage from the book.

In this case, some were disillusioned by the conduct they witnessed during the war and the resultant ethnic divisions.

https://i.imgur.com/dJFjkoP.png

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '24

I’ve read a few passages from the Hazkani book, including the one you just posted, is the book worth reading in its entirety? I’ve read an absurd amount on ‘48, so I just wonder if the book stands out from the rest of the literature on the topic.

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u/ContentChecker Jewish Anti-Zionist Oct 17 '24

It provides a lot of insight into the propaganda initiatives used by the Yishuv, ie casting the Arabs as 'Amalek' - which is relevant now as well unfortunately.

There's some interesting info I gleaned from the book like how there were only roughly 6,000 Palestinians who actually fought in the 48' War.

Or how Arab propaganda was less demonizing/less violent than Israeli propaganda. Lots of details like that, which I don't think are covered in other books.

I think of the book as fleshing out a lot of details other books don't go into. Since this book is based on letters and correspondence, it presents a unique, personal outlook.

Available online for free in case you don't want to buy it on Kindle/etc. :

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=BF6AF968AEAEF3BF30215876BFB03C59

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '24

Just purchased. Thx for the recc!

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u/ContentChecker Jewish Anti-Zionist Oct 17 '24

Nice!

One of my favorite parts in the book is where, spoiler, Hazkani addresses/contradicts another famous New Historian:

https://i.imgur.com/Zb6zGzJ.png