r/JewsOfConscience • u/PreparationOk1450 Jewish Anti-Zionist • Jul 22 '24

Discussion Dementia is Disqualifying, but Not Genocide

It's really disturbing to me that dementia is disqualifying for Joe Biden, but him doing a genocide is not. That shows how Palestinians are viewed in America by the political class.

If only Hitler had dementia, maybe we could've gotten rid of him sooner, since the Holocaust wouldn't have been a problem for him with his domestic constituency.

What do others think?

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u/IWantFries21 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 22 '24

I don't trust Jill Stein's intentions anyways when she only shows up in politics for a presidential run

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 22 '24

Yea me neither. I’d never vote for her when she is third party. The electoral college makes it impossible for a third party candidate to really win anyway.

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u/Medium_Note_9613 Anti-Zionist Jul 22 '24

see, thats the issue. its a stupid vicious cycle. americans don't vote for 3rd parties because 3rd parties can't really win. but the reason 3rd parties can't really win is that americans don't vote for them.

all it takes is one famous election campaign to break the cycle. unfortunately, the chances of it are slim in 2024.

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 22 '24

Agree with you—kind of. I hat don’t think the current system is really set up for a 3rd party candidate to win

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u/IWantFries21 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 22 '24

It's not. Our system is rigged. We need ranked choice voting (which some states are already putting into place but a few have banned it outright). All the more reason to vote in our local and statewide elections

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 22 '24

Question for you—I’ve heard from some political scientists that rank choice would be bad.. that’s how Israel keeps getting bibi and how hitler was elected.

Is there any truth to this?

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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Jul 22 '24

They're charlatans, just like the scientists who insist that fossil fuel consumption doesn't cause global warming.

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u/IWantFries21 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 22 '24

I'm not a political scientist, first and foremost, just a college student lol. But from what I've read, ranked choice voting, or something like party list proportional representation, would probably work out better in the US. I think it's wrong that a candidate can win the popular vote but somehow not the election.

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 22 '24

Got it thank you haha

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u/maxy_fruvous Anti-Zionist Jul 22 '24

I’m not clear on the exact type of system used to elect either, but Ranked choice voting didn’t cause Europes raging antisemitism or the Nazi’s seizing power after winning only as a minority government any more than it has caused Israel’s intention to ethnically cleanse the land of Palestine. As far as I know, again anyone correct me please, but I’m not sure that Israel uses RCV, they use proportional representation, but those terms aren’t mutually exclusive or inclusive. They can be used together.

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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Jul 23 '24

It was direct election of the Israeli PM combined with Shimon Perez's mental retardation that made Mileikowsky take the prime ministership in 1996 despite Likud losing the Knesset to Labor.

Also the idea that RCV == Hitler is so risible I don't know how someone takes it seriously.

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u/maxy_fruvous Anti-Zionist Jul 23 '24

Indeed😂

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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Jul 23 '24

Oh, and coming back to this a day later -- political scientists and bourgeois economists engage in apologetics, not inquiry. Their facts and figures may be relied on, like "in May 1940 the United States produced such-and-such an amount of pig iron", but their explanation of meaning and alternatives isn't reliable. Treat them kind of like you would if you had the opportunity to go back to 1855 and talk with an economist from Virginia about the production of cotton and tobacco.

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 23 '24

Fair enough!!