r/JewsOfConscience • u/PreparationOk1450 Jewish Anti-Zionist • Jul 22 '24

Discussion Dementia is Disqualifying, but Not Genocide

It's really disturbing to me that dementia is disqualifying for Joe Biden, but him doing a genocide is not. That shows how Palestinians are viewed in America by the political class.

If only Hitler had dementia, maybe we could've gotten rid of him sooner, since the Holocaust wouldn't have been a problem for him with his domestic constituency.

What do others think?

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u/Taarguss Reconstructionist Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

I think Biden’s Israel stance has had more to do with pressure to get him out than you think. He’s hemorrhaging young voters over this stuff. Party leadership knows this. I’d be surprised if Harris didn’t support a ceasefire and more conditional aid. It’s becoming a more popular position that more mainstream politicians are getting friendlier to.

But also, Biden isn’t personally carrying out a genocide. Netanyahu is. Biden’s enabling it by not withholding US support, but he’d be cool with giving Israel money in any situation regardless of what they’re doing or who’s in charge. He’s uncritical about Israel. He’a been public about how Netanyahu is a problem but he’s from a school of political thought that has aid to Israel as a self evident, non negotiable point, which most Americans also agree with. It’s like being allies with France. Like, of course you support them, why wouldn’t you?

Most Americans don’t even understand the nature of what’s happening in Gaza and they don’t understand that no country on earth gets more money from the US than Israel. They just don’t know that. They do however see a visibly crumbling old man on TV looking like he should be receiving in-home care. There’s so many layers to how all of this is perceived and it all makes a huge difference in what people think is important. It’s not as simple as “we don’t care about Palestinians,” it’s a bigger issue of the public being badly informed about Palestinians and the US establishment being misaligned on Palestinians. Us antizionists are a small minority. We’re can’t expect everyone’s gonna see it the way we do. That’s why we have to keep pushing and speaking up.

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u/PreparationOk1450 Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 22 '24

I hear you but I see no evidence for Kamala being better. She's a career fanatical Zionist, anti-Palestinian.

https://x.com/karaokecomputer/status/1815098948895522857/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1815098948895522857&currentTweetUser=karaokecomputer

She's part of this genocide. She said that she supports Israel bombing refugee camps. She promoted the mass rape hoax.

https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1815158393159418024

She's taken $5.3 million from the Israel Lobby

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u/Taarguss Reconstructionist Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

Totally. I just think that politicians by their nature are malleable and swayed by what gets them elected. Young people have made it super clear that Gaza is a big issue for them and it’s been a big factor in Biden losing support in the 18-35 crowd over the last year. I have no hope in Kamala and her people becoming ceasefire now antizionists, but I just have to imagine that this war has changed some of the calculations. But what the fuck do I know. But if the stooge-bros from Pod Save America are angry with how Biden’s camp has handled Gaza, that’s gotta be reflective of how a lot of establishment Dems in Washington feel. Unless the Obama-orbit people are marginal now. Idk. Ugh who gives a shit, I just want Israel to stop killing people.

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u/PreparationOk1450 Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 22 '24

Good points. I feel that this is the time to exert leverage on Harris. Make her earn people's endorsement with a specific commitment to end the genocide and cut off weapons and $ to Israel. Don't endorse with nothing in return. Now's the moment for activitists. This is the moment of leverage when she's desperate to earn our votes. Regardless of their personal feelings, we have to force politicians to do the right thing.

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u/Taarguss Reconstructionist Jul 22 '24

One HUNDRED percent. Honestly if anyone’s reading this, call the VP office and let them know that your vote is conditional on ending weapons deals with Israel and advocating for an immediate ceasefire.

I’m gonna do it on my lunch break. 202-456-1111

Even if you’re ultimately still gonna vote against Trump in November, this is the shit that gets politicians to work for you.

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u/PreparationOk1450 Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 22 '24

I love this! Don't tell them they have your vote unconditionally (even if they do) because that means they'll never respect you or give you anything since the easiest thing for them is to be pro Israel and pro corporate briber (donor).