NYC Dyke March Drama

[u/Ok_Item_3313]

The NYC Dyke March is being boycotted by many other organizations including Act Up NYC for putting out and subsequently deleting this statement. Thoughts?

Imma be real I don't really think this statement is bad at all, but I understand that others have read it as "all lives matter"-ing the genocide in Gaza. Would love to hear more takes.

[u/doesntaffrayed]

2800?

Are you counting Hamas losses as well?

Israeli lost 1100, two thirds Jewish and foreign civilians, the remaining were Israeli military.

[u/theapplekid → u/doesntaffrayed]

two thirds Jewish and foreign civilians, the remaining were Israeli military.

You mean two thirds were not actively serving in IOF. Of that two thirds, there were Muslims, Christians, and foreign nationals. They weren't all Jewish as statements like the one above would have us believe

[u/Glad-Degree-4270 → u/theapplekid]

Reservists, religiously exempted non military members, retired elderly, and “future conscripts” (aka children) are not valid military targets under most war crime definitions.

America has a draft on file, with your logic every male American is a “potential draftee” and valid military target.

[u/theapplekid → u/Glad-Degree-4270]

First of all I'm not saying anyone is a "valid military target". I don't know where you got that idea.

I'm saying almost 400 hundred of the Israelis killed on October 7 were actively serving IDF. Of the remaining casualties who were not militarized Palestinian resistance, there were still many non-Jews and non-Israelis.

[u/Glad-Degree-4270 → u/theapplekid]

Okay so here’s what I was going to say until I reread your statement and caught what I had misunderstood on your point :

“You said “not actively serving”. I’ve seen some otherwise pretty reasonable people claim that Israeli civilian is an oxymoron due to conscription. They say that civilians within the ‘67 borders who have completely retired from the military, including the elderly, may re-enter service, or that children are future soldiers. Some claim all such people are foreign settler colonists.”

So I thought you were going that way.

However, on a reread it seems like all you were doing was ensuring that we not forget the non-Jewish civilians of Israel, which is certainly something that needs to be brought up. So I commend you for doing so, and I apologize for the misunderstanding stemming from my inability to fully comprehend your statement on first read.

[u/theapplekid → u/Glad-Degree-4270]

No worries, I appreciate your willingness to challenge your initial impressions of what I was saying. I'm not really sure how to express this more clearly; people seem to have an easier time analyzing the conflict at a very superficial level, and then it becomes "Hamas" and "Israeli Jews" on October 7, when those were only some of the actors and victims on that day.