NYC Dyke March Drama

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The NYC Dyke March is being boycotted by many other organizations including Act Up NYC for putting out and subsequently deleting this statement. Thoughts?

Imma be real I don't really think this statement is bad at all, but I understand that others have read it as "all lives matter"-ing the genocide in Gaza. Would love to hear more takes.

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This is not all lives mattering. People were killed. If they never addressed the deaths in October when it happened, it is appropriate to mention now. If they consistently mentioned hostages and Israelis over Palestinians that would be different. I think it's really sad that mentioning any Jewish death is offensive to people. But I also think it's very odd that there was not any statement about any of this until now, which isn't common for an LGBT institution. This is especially true because of how there is such high involvement of LGBT folks in activism for Palestine. This reminds me of when dyke marches in Canada used to ban pride flags with Stars of David on them. Is it necessary? Not at all. That's not what an Israeli flag is.

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I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning the Jewish deaths from October 7, but weren't like 900-1100 of the ~2800 people who died that day Jewish?

I think erasing the deaths of all the others to center the deaths of privileged group is a problem

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I agree. That's definitely a problem. The whole thing is a tragedy. Just wanted to point out that the dyke march page mentioned Gaza several times and Palestinians as well. It feels like they used some generic phrases to "ease the reaction" of triggered Jews, but it backfired. I have honestly seen almost every single group that mentioned the deaths of anyone during this genocide be criticized. Sometimes for centering Jews too much, sometimes for not doing it enough . I feel like this is inconsequential. I don't think we need social media posts, especially this late after many other orgs have already posted the same exact thing one their pages. Jews who thought they wouldn't be safe need to understand why they feel this way and the dyke march organizers just need to assure people that all will be welcome. It's pretty simple. Making placating statements seems counter intuitive at this point, but I don't think it's all lives mattering.

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Can you recall the source for your claim that organizers of Pride marches have excluded the flags you mention?

Pink-washing is a problem in the LGBTQ+ community and it's great they are handling it.

There's a difference between merely existing (as you seem to imply) versus a pro-Israel organization and/or individuals attempting to obfuscate the state of Israel's humanitarian record by interjecting itself in progressive messaging.