Feeling tokenised on this sub

[u/Jche98]

I've been getting the impression lately that so much of this sub is becoming posts like "as jews of conscience, what do you think of X?" or "as real jews who believe in real judaism, what do you think of Y?" These questions are from non-jews. I appreciate non-jewish allies taking part in this sub but lately it's feeling that it's just people trying to paint us as "the good jews". This sub is about being jewish and anti-Zionist and the struggles that come with that. It's not a sub for us to parade around claiming to be the "true jews" or for people to parade us around like that. We are jewish and we oppose Zionism but the Zionist jews are also jewish. We're no less or more jewish than they are. And we're not here to justify judaism in the face of Zionism. There are a million (very important) subs where there is general discussion about Palestine and the genocide in Gaza. But I feel like this sub should be something for us.

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I personally haven't seen very many things that offend me in here, and I'm here a lot. However, I can't speak for everyone else, so there is that. I don't think it's a good idea to make this sub into Jewish customs/questions etc for anti zionists while there is a genocide. Sorry. If a holiday is coming up, sure let's talk about it, let's create meetups for people or something so that there are safer spaces to have celebration for us. But to say you're tired of seeing news stories about Gaza is extremely insensitive to me. If Jews were being killed every other day, we would be thinking about it, everyday. It's hard to watch, yep. That's kinda the point. Id rather these things be posted here than in other pro Palestine subs because the comments in other subs can actually get pretty bad. The thing that's great about Reddit is you can always take a break and come back to it later. You can always stop interacting with or downvote posts you don't like. I'm sorry people are feeling tokenized. I personally am getting triggered by people saying they feel tokenized because it basically proves all the Zionists right who talk about how Pro Palestine Jewish spaces do this. Maybe they do. Idk. I never feel welcome in many Jewish spaces, it's a problem. I really like this space. I particularly like that it's a mixed space, with allies in it, because I don't actually talk to non Jews about any of this in person. Nobody asks me, they are too afraid to ask me. I want people to learn and to learn from them. I am also aware of how closed of a practice Judaism is, and so my expectations of people knowing anything about us, our culture, and are our religion are low. This is why I think we should keep educating allies instead of gatekeeping or staying only in our spaces. Doing that has not gone well for us in terms of Zionism. I think maybe only wanting our own Jewish safe spaces is a response to trauma. Maybe we just need a separate Anti Zionist Spirituality group or something then.

Edit: Also want to add that when this genocide ends, I think having more stuff about Judaism in general would be great, but also, if you want it posted, just post it. I'm sure plenty of people will interact with that post

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I'm sorry you also feel really out of place in Jewish spaces. I know all about the racism and classism and general purity testing in Jewish spaces. We are really behind and we have a lot of work to do. I am a Post Soviet Russian Jew that was raised with parents who knew nothing about Judaism. I celebrated holidays with extended family sometimes and I went to a Reform youth group, but that was it. I was the only person in my youth group who didn't go to Synagogue. My parents didn't go, but I wanted to do something Jewish, so I did. The biggest ostracization for me had to do with money. I did not grow up wealthy. We could not afford Jewish overnight summer camp, shul, or anything. I have been ostracized by Jews as a kid due to socio economic differences a lot, but thankfully that's much better when you're an adult.

Edited because I answered in the morning without fully reading the post and needed to make edits