r/InternationalNews • u/urban_zmb • Oct 09 '24
International Biden Officials Say Ceasefire Talks Are Suspended as Harris Names Iran Top Enemy
https://truthout.org/articles/biden-officials-say-ceasefire-talks-are-suspended-as-harris-names-iran-top-enemy/72
u/Volcano_Jones Oct 09 '24
That's funny, I thought they were working round the clock on a ceasefire. What will their line be now?
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u/ingratiatingGoblino Oct 09 '24
Blah blah blah existential threat blah blah blah smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud. The older you get, the more you honest to god watch the same shit unfold.
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u/liberterrorism Oct 09 '24
Turns out they were actually working on an “increase fire”, we all must have misheard
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
And after a news story yesterday on Hezb asking for a ceasefire. Yeah I bet that was legit...
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u/April_Fabb Oct 09 '24
I will always ensure Israel has what it needs to defend itself against Iran and Iran-backed terrorists like Hamas.
Wow, she sounds just as objective as all the other AIPAC-financed zombies in Washington. It's so god-damn depressing to see how US voters can pick between two supporters of apartheid and genocide.
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u/Mei_Flower1996 Oct 09 '24
Remember the one president who wanted to list AIPAC as a foreign org and ended up with a bullet in the head?
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u/chatte__lunatique Oct 09 '24
I kinda doubt that JFK was assassinated by Israel. If it was anyone it was the Mafia, the CIA, or the Soviets. Or the Mafia and the CIA.
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u/Mei_Flower1996 Oct 09 '24
Wasn't it Lee Harvey Oswald? And wouldn't the CIA do that, if they wanted Israel to continue to exist as an extension of the US in the ME?
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u/chatte__lunatique Oct 09 '24
The CIA had a lot more gripes with JFK than Israel tho. They hated him for fucking up Bay of Pigs, and it just snowballed from there. Not to say it couldn't have been a contributing factor, but this was the peak of the CIA fuck around and find out era and they did not like JFK interfering with their fuck around abilities
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u/m0ngoos3 Oct 09 '24
Lee Harvey Oswald did it. Because sometimes one guy with a gun is all it takes.
Like that little asshole Thomas Mathew Crooks.
One guy with a gun and some lax security, because the people doing the security are people, and generally bad at their jobs.
Fun fact, JFK had something like 9 less Secret Service agents than normal that day, because the night before they had a raging bender of a party and a bunch of them were too hung over to work.
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u/Mei_Flower1996 Oct 09 '24
WHATT
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u/m0ngoos3 Oct 09 '24
https://www.newsweek.com/drunken-truth-about-jfk-assassination-391613
Basically, under Kennedy, the Secret Service acted more as a frat bro club than a protection detail.
So, I had misremembered, 9 of the 28 had no food the day before, but did have a few hours of scotch and soda. 6 of the 9 kept drinking the entire night.
The other 19 agents might have had food, or might not, but they didn't end up at the same bar as the 9.
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
They were drunk, but there's a lot more than that. Tons of details about Oswald, his past contacts, the way they handled the case, etc.
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u/m0ngoos3 Oct 10 '24
There's lots of weird coincidence with Oswald.
Take Kerry Thornley. He served in the Marines with Oswald, and the two looked similar enough to have been brothers... they both leave the service, and both end up in New Orleans. They live within 10 blocks of each other but never once meet, because that's just how cities used to work. They didn't keep in touch after leaving the marines, and had no clue that they lived so close to each other.
Anyway, Thornley spent the early Kennedy years publically calling for his assassination. Even had fliers printed out and posted in bars and shit.
There's no evidence that Oswald visited any of the same bars that Thornley did.
After the assassination, Thornley thought it was funny to spread lies and conspiracy bullshit, culminating in his sneaking into the office of the Louisiana prosecuting attorney, who was actively investigating Thornley. While in the office, Thornley used the guy's (early) copy machine to make copies of his conspiracy nonsense, laying down more smokescreens of chaos and confusion. Not to protect himself, but because he thought it was funny. A lot of the more outlandish conspiracy shit about the assassination comes from Thornley's antics during this time.
So anyway Oswald knew people who absolutely hated Kennedy, and had even visited the Soviet Union, but there's still no evidence that Oswald worked with anyone.
And that's why he succeeded. See, the second you start adding people to the conspiracy, is the second when it starts breaking down. Suddenly you have to worry about logistics and coordination, and people not talking or screwing up their part.
It's much simpler to be a lone gunman. Because the only way for two people to keep a secret is if one is dead. People always talk, or screw up, or just miss some little bit of communication that slips out.
It happens every single time. So the answer is, don't involve anyone else. A lone gunman is a fucking nightmare to plan around. Because he's the threat you don't see coming.
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u/DirtbagSocialist Oct 09 '24
Just remember that it's the fault of progressive voters if she fails to beat Trump. It's not their fault for refusing to budge on issues that progressive voters care about. /s
Mark my words. When she loses they're gonna spend the next four years bitching about why it's all the fault of a small group of disenfranchised voters who wield no political power because they weren't prepared to receive nothing in exchange for voting her in.
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u/jagger72643 Oct 09 '24
Many who told her a million times months in advance what she needed to do to earn their vote (stop backing a genocide)
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u/digital-didgeridoo Oct 09 '24
Why can't a new president take over with a clean slate, start fresh - instead of sabre rattling even before the election! Even Iran elected a moderate president - US only has a bad and worse (worst?) choices.
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u/AdventureBirdDog Oct 09 '24
She has never spoken an original thought. Her first three public appearences since she was nominated were all the same verbattim. In her recent 60 minutes she fumbled a question about Netanyahu listening, and then when they posted on youtube, she had a totally different answer to the question
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 09 '24
Jill Stein is running
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u/FrogInAShoe Oct 10 '24
And her campaign has literally admitted that she has no chance of winning and is only there to take away votes from Harris
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u/CyonHal Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Jill Stein is a grifter, she has no interest in furthering the party's platform she is aiming to just scrape enough votes in the general to get election money. The proof is their lack of interest to try to get any green party candidate into a local or state office to build up a coalition and base of support.
edit: Do people think I'm supporting a candidate as an alternative here? I'm not voting in this election at all.
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 09 '24
Every politician in the history of ever is a grifter.
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u/CyonHal Oct 09 '24
??? No, stop minimizing the definition of a grifter. Politicians can have genuine positions and ideology on the change they want to see in the world. This is such a nihilistic BS view of the world.
Jill Stein does not give a shit about winning or furthering any cause. She just wants to rake in election cycle money every four years.
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 09 '24
Stop with your nonsense "but what about" arguments which don't help the discussion at all? Not sure if you're been paying attention, but the other candidates are objectively worse by every fucking metric.
You don't give a shit about this country and would rather hand it over to fascists. See, anyone can make stupid ass baseless accusations.
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u/nuclearmeltdown2015 Oct 09 '24
She's sponsored by Russia. I prefer a shitty American politician over a compromised Russian one. They are both shit but one is clearly worse than the other.
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 10 '24
Literary Trump betrayed literal CIA agent locations to LITERALLY RUSSIA. Harris is owned by Israel. Stop it.
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u/nuclearmeltdown2015 Oct 10 '24
So you think having a politician aligned with Isreal is on the same level or worse than Russia?
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 10 '24
Are you paying attention to whats going? Why tf you care what I think? The FACT is that the two primary candidates are both leagues worse than the alternatives.
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u/rrunawad Oct 10 '24
Your lack of self-awareness is impressive. Either you're a bot or liberals are really fucking stupid. I hope it's the former.
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u/Errant_coursir Oct 09 '24
Jill Stein is less qualified than Trump
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u/Either-Anything-8518 Oct 10 '24
Pretty sure being a convicted fellon makes you the least qualified person to be commander in chief of the United States Military.
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u/bananagarage Oct 09 '24
Show me again all the US bases literally dotted around iran… and tell me they’re the enemy
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u/Impressive_Scheme_53 Oct 09 '24
Iran being the US’s greatest adversary is a stone cold dumb answer. They aren’t a threat to us. We aren’t Israel. A better answer would be China who is scooping up allies globally and a massive economic adversary. Personally I believe we should collaborate not turn them into an enemy. I’ve seen credible reporting for example that China has a cure for diabetes which our scientists can’t collaborate on. But that all aside that would have been a logical answer. She said Iran then ranted about Israel. That wasn’t the question. It was about the US. Alarming really for someone wanting to be President. They chose not to air that answer on the main segment shown it’s on some extra segment more hidden.
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u/HihoMerryO22 Oct 09 '24
I agree, I'm still so confused by why we are losing dominance by endlessly focusing on the middle east. While we were killing poor people in Iraq, afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and supporting killing in Palestine and Lebanon - China is using it's economy to invest in itself and grow with actual long-term strategic plans. Instead we spend all our money on trying to maintain military dominance, spend 20% of our GDP mostly on pharma and insurance companies, and change national strategy every 4 years, undoing the effort of the prior administration and end up going nowhere. And now Harris is saying the next target and biggest threat is Iran, what a joke. Why do we keep repeating bad choices again and again.
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u/CormacMacAleese Oct 09 '24
A cure for diabetes, you say? Can I vote for Xi Jinping in November?
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u/Impressive_Scheme_53 Oct 09 '24
I saw a segment on BreakThrough news about this that went into vast detail on the US not allowing scientific collaboration for this and Chinas work on cancer as well. But here is a quick article (I’d need to dig for the BT news link on YouTube but you can probably find that as well)
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u/Nothereforstuff123 Oct 09 '24
A better answer would be China who is scooping up allies globally and a massive economic adversary.
Has China ever bombed the US?
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u/moonkingyellow Oct 09 '24
No, but NATO bombed the Chinese embassy during the bombing of Belgrade, so I guess technically the US has bombed China.
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
China is only an "adversary" in the sense it will counter America's power and influence. So it is no threat to American lives, only American power and money. Which is, to America's leaders, what American lives need to protect.
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 09 '24
I'm perplexed. What is it exactly that Iran alone has done that makes them so bad?
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
Bombed Israel. I mean, in an effective and actually dangerous way instead of with hobby-missiles.
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24
So Iran has been bombing Israel since the 1980s? Was Iran bombing Israel before or after any of the sanctions against them were applied?
That aside, are you saying that if one nation launches an assault on a nation that attacked one of their allies, that makes the first nation bad? By your logic, the Iranians must be justified in describing Israel as the bad guys, seeing as they had just attacked an ally of Iran.
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
Oh I thought you were referring to just the recent rhetoric.
No, Iran threw off an American puppet (installed after a PM tried nationalising the oil business) and then made being anti-American practically part of their constitution. That's why they're so bad.
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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24
Oct 7th?
As much as I am appalled by Israeli actions before and since this even, let's not overlook it
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24
That was committed by Hamas. Not Iran.
Beyond that, what did Iran uniquely do in the decades prior to 6th October that makes them so bad?
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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24
Hamas is an Iranian proxy. It isn't really up for debate.
I'm not really a pro-Israeli person, so frankly I don't really know what Iran has done negatively before that. Supporting regional destablisation I guess, but it's not like everyone else is guilt free there.
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24
Hamas may be supported by Iran, but they are still their own organisation. They were founded in the 1980s by militant Palestinian Muslims, without any assistance from Iran. It's not like they are incapable of doing anything without orders from Tehran. That's why it's deceptive to call Hamas, or Hezbollah, or the Houthi, 'proxies for Iran.' That phrase perpetuates this misconception that Iran controls these groups, when they don't.
You just touched on exactly the point I'm getting at. No one in the Middle East is guilt free of anything. Whatever accusation you can make against Iran, for example, whether it's support for terrorists, dictatorship, limiting the rights of women, etc., applies to virtually every other nation in the region. It is downright hypocritical to call Iran the enemy but then ally with Saudi Arabi or Israel, when both of those nations have done all the same things that Iran has.
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u/garlicbreadistight Oct 09 '24
This makes absolutely no sense. In the last ten years, I've seen Iran try to establish diplomatic relationships with the U.S. The EU and others were on board. Trump unilaterally ripped it up and tried to provoke conflict. Israel, with Biden's help, has been escalating and escalating while Iran retaliates with restraint. Say what you will about their government, but they clearly do not want war. It sounds like Israel is going to escalate again, and Biden/Harris are preparing to drag us all along with no endgame or strategy beyond Netanyahu's political survival.
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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24
While I generally agree, I don't think it I'd acceptable to overlook Oct 7th and dismiss that. It was an attack orchestrated by Iran.
Their approach seems to be in making Israeli appear to be an irrational actor, which it is.
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u/garlicbreadistight Oct 12 '24
Whether Iran had a role or not, that's Israel's problem. We achieved a diplomatic arrangement with Iran under Obama that served our interests. Israel tried to sabotage it at every step and is now trying to drag us into all out war, which benefits no one but Netanyahu. Harris calling Iran our greatest adversary sounds like she's speaking on behalf of of Israeli war hawks rather than U.S. interests.
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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24
So many more people have been killed in Palestine… but you can’t overlook a fraction of that as you complete overlook everything since then
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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24
Here's the thing, I recognise the actions of the Israeli government. I just also acknowledge the actions of Hamas/Hezbolla/Iran. You have to out it all on the table.
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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24
Yea and there is far more death on one side of the table. Acting like these are comparable in scale is ludicrous….
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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24
I didn't say they were comparable in scale. The initial statement was along the lines of
"what have they ever even done?!"
- "well this here."
"Well they killed more anyway"
In reality the only one scaling here is you.
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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24
You just said you couldn’t forget October 7th. Haven’t they more than killed enough people over that in retribution? How much death is enough for you to decide you can let it go? 100,000?
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u/modernDayKing Oct 10 '24
You’re giving Iran too much credit.
Al Aqsa flood wasn’t even known to many Hamas members outside of Gaza.
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u/imcyn Oct 09 '24
So when Iran attacks Israel its a horrible tragedy, but not so much when Israel attacks Palestine.
Fuck her and fuck Israel
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u/modernDayKing Oct 10 '24
lol. What about when Israel attacks iran…
Irans embassy. Iran hosting foreign dignitaries
Etc etc
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u/imcyn Oct 10 '24
What about when Israel attacks Iran? I doubt most people would care about that except for Iran of course. College students probably won't be protesting that one... Can't imagine the Arab league would care.. as Iran isn't a part of that
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u/Zack_Xxxx Oct 09 '24
"Iran is not my enemy. Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis are not my enemies. My enemies are the western imperialists and their Israeli partners in crime who are inflicting a waking nightmare upon the middle east and working to start a massive new war of unfathomable horror." Caitlin Johnstone.
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u/HowVeryReddit Oct 09 '24
Bush-league diplomacy, as in GWB who insulted Iran during a SOTU and fucked all the diplomatic efforts of the state department.
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u/Automatic-One7845 Oct 09 '24
Leave it to a Democrat to get America involved in ANOTHER forever war in the middle east
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u/Sudi_Nim Oct 09 '24
Like Bush 1, or Bush 2, or Eisenhower?
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u/Automatic-One7845 Oct 09 '24
Bush 1 was over in 3 days my guy. Bush 2 was a response to 9/11 my guy.
Like Biden (israel v hamas, ukraine v russia), Obama (syria 2014), Johnson (vietnam) Wilson (russia and mexico)
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u/mwa12345 Oct 09 '24
Bush 2 was an idiot.. yo get involved in Iraq. They had nothing to do with 9/11.
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u/Sudi_Nim Oct 09 '24
Vietnam and Russia and Mexico, last time I checked, were not in the Middle East.
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u/Far-Hat7563 Oct 09 '24
Do give democrats all the credit? There’s enough blame to go around for both dem and rep. Remember bush sr. and jr.
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u/chefriley76 Oct 09 '24
Those peace loving Republicans, am I right?
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u/Automatic-One7845 Oct 09 '24
That's right, the Republicans who've tried to assassinate kamala harris 3 times now, oh wait no that didn't happen
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u/chefriley76 Oct 09 '24
You're right. The Republicans tried assassinating their own candidate. Twice.
Where is the third?
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u/Mofo_mango Oct 09 '24
Weren’t both Democrats? I can’t believe we live in a world where Dems try to deny that not only these attempts happened, but by trying to say it was Republicans lol.
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u/chefriley76 Oct 09 '24
No, sir. Both were registered Republicans. Ryan Routh voted Trump in 2016 and 2020, and was huge into MAGA. Thomas Crooks was also a registered Republican. Took me 5 seconds of Google to get that info for you.
I can't believe we live in a world where you can't use a search engine for 5 seconds to realize your narrative is bullshit.
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u/Mofo_mango Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
Crooks donated to Democrats. Routh voted for Bernie in 2020. A quick google showed this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Matthew_Crooks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Wesley_Routh
I swear to god libs are deluded over this because the same article shows that Routh did not vote in 2016. I’m 100% certain you did not even do a google search at this point because you would see what I had found.
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u/chefriley76 Oct 09 '24
From your source:
'Crooks had been registered to vote since September 2021, when he turned 18.[2] He registered as a Republican[2][3][48][51] and he voted only once, in the 2022 midterm elections.['
Also: 'Routh had additionally donated $140 to Democratic causes since 2019 and is registered in North Carolina as an independent voter.'
So not a Democrat. He wanted ramaswamy and haley.
LiBs are DeLuDed. I skimmed Google searches that took me 5 seconds (my bad i guess). Then I read and educated myself a bit, and an still not convinced they were democrats. You know, since the articles you posted said they weren't.
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u/Mofo_mango Oct 09 '24
I know people who live in red states that registered as Republicans to vote against Trump. I canvas’d for Bernie in 2016 and was told this specifically by at least a dozen people I spoke to in South Carolina
“ On January 20, 2021 when he was 17, he donated $15 to the Progressive Turnout Project, a liberal voter turnout group, through the Democratic Party donation platform ActBlue.[13][48][18][49] His donation was made on the same day that President Biden was sworn into office”
Routh voted for Bernie, donated to Dems and tried to assassinate Trump.
Given all of the above, the fact that you’ve tripled down in your delusions is alarming. You were the one who called them Republicans. The reality is that at the very least, they were aligned with the Democrats. Use your critical thinking skills instead of going all in on the lines you’ve been fed.
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u/Bluesboy357 Oct 09 '24
I really fucking hate this shit. It boggles my mind as to why both parties are hell bent on propping up this fascist apartheid colony known as “Israel.” I know that AIPAC and other Zionist lobbies are hugely influential in Washington, but why can’t these democrats actually show that they have a spine? Why can’t they see that Israel is the evil component of this equation?
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u/AdventureBirdDog Oct 09 '24
Harris is a neo-con war pig. She will get us into WW3 if Biden hasn't already. The US doesn't care about Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. We are about to do the same shit we always do. Fucking hell
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u/Goldleader-23 Oct 09 '24
Vote Jill Stein. Third party has become a necessity.
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u/nuclearmeltdown2015 Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Great picture. 👍
Idk who is downvoting all the comments pointing out JS is in bed with some bad people and not the pick. Bots? But it's the truth so I question the motive behind it. 😅
Tin foil hat says either Trump support trying to split the vote for Harris, or Russians trying to split the vote for Harris or why not all of the above? Haha.
Lets end this 2nd age of McCarthyism.
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u/JustaBearEnthusiast Oct 09 '24
Or don't vote at all. Voting itself can give legitimacy to electoralism and stifle revolutionary organizing. I suppose it depends on your strategy of change.
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
Third party voting shows you are politically active and upset instead of disengaged.
It also can provide federal funding for a third party, if they get over 5% of the vote.
Until people start voting in electoral reform candidates or the revolution starts, voting 3rd party is the best strategy.
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u/Wonderful_Debate5182 Oct 09 '24
Useless - She's a grifter who's not interested in creating political power.
She has zero chance of winning, and even if she did (literally impossible) she has never bothered to build a political coalition. No one would be on her side.
Running for president every 4 years and doing no groundwork is not a political strategy - it's a grift.
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u/Goldleader-23 Oct 09 '24
She has more of a platform than Harris who is just parroting Zionist talking points from Papa Joe. Saying third party can never win is just gargling the balls of the two party system. Nothing will ever change if we don't vote for it
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u/Wonderful_Debate5182 Oct 09 '24
I agree with Jill Stein's platform, but there's ZERO green party senators, ZERO house reps, ZERO state level congressmen, ZERO governors, literally 4 mayors nationwide....How would her platform be implemented if she has zero political power? Even if elected, how would that work?
I would LOVE to see a third, fourth, fifth party that is viable, but explain this to me:
How are political power and political coalitions built?
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
It's not about expecting her to win.
(A) It sends a message the status quo is not acceptable. (B) It will provide her with funding for next cycle if she gets over 5% (C) It will trigger other independants to run (D) It will trigger other politicians to join and run with her
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u/Wonderful_Debate5182 Oct 10 '24
It doesn't send a message - there's no comment box when you vote, and no one is going to assume that people voted for Stein over Harris for x, y, z reasons - they didn't do that for Hillary, and they have never done it for anyone.
You need to build a political coalition from the ground up, not from the top down. You can't have an effective political party by just running for president every 4 years and not having anyone else in place.
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u/nikiyaki Oct 11 '24
If they haven't been paying attention to the huge backlash over Palestine, then the message is they deserve to keep losing.
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u/Wonderful_Debate5182 Oct 11 '24
Ok, so then we get the fascists, not only will their Gaza policy will be the same; but now you won't be able to protest here otherwise you'll be shot. Enjoy full blown fascism.
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u/Nothereforstuff123 Oct 09 '24
Couldn't even wait till after the election to plunge us into another forever war. Anyone who votes for these people in November is a rube.
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u/Single-Hovercraft-33 Oct 09 '24
Get ready for a trump presidency. POC's & women should all be getting arms.
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u/bomboclawt75 Oct 10 '24
AIPAC and who it represents is the greatest direct threat to America and Americans-impacting on their safety, wealth, security, civil rights, free speech and actual lives- involving fighting wars for that foreign state, including the very real threat of nuclear Holocaust for the entire planet.
There won’t be a single nuke launched, it will be thousands, and that’s a wrap. And all down to a few hundred treasonous, bought and paid for AIPAC owned, lapdog politicians.
90% of both parties are foreign state actors- that has now been made abundantly clear over the past year.
AIPAC politicians: Flood/ fire disaster in an American state? Here is 750 bucks- good luck, we need the other billions give away free- each and every month to a foreign state to commit further Genocide- that You are paying for- whether you like it or not.
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u/Wise_Recover_5685 Oct 09 '24
Iran and Saudi Arabia are joining together. Even the Bible says the people will turn against Israel.
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u/Errant_coursir Oct 09 '24
Iran and Saudi Arabia would never join together
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u/Mofo_mango Oct 09 '24
They already made peace.
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u/Errant_coursir Oct 09 '24
I wasn't aware, I'm reading up on it now
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u/moonkingyellow Oct 09 '24
Saudi oil fields are vulnerable to Iranian drones and missiles, and no air defence available to the Sauds is going to help them. They've got no choice but to play nice now.
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u/mwa12345 Oct 09 '24
They also realize forever war is ruinous . I suspect china taught them a thing or two about focusing on your economy
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
They "made peace" in that they won't directly fight, but SA will cooperate with America right up to that point.
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u/Wise_Recover_5685 Oct 09 '24
Never say never. It’s happening now. If I recall the Saudis have a whole lot of our weapons….
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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24
They're not super good at using them though. The Houthis are still going strong.
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u/Inadover Oct 10 '24
I really had some hope for the Harris presidency. But fuck man, they keep fucking it up worse and worse. Crazy to think that the should-be-convict Trump may still win.
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