r/InternationalNews • u/urban_zmb • Oct 09 '24

International Biden Officials Say Ceasefire Talks Are Suspended as Harris Names Iran Top Enemy

https://truthout.org/articles/biden-officials-say-ceasefire-talks-are-suspended-as-harris-names-iran-top-enemy/
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u/garlicbreadistight Oct 09 '24

This makes absolutely no sense. In the last ten years, I've seen Iran try to establish diplomatic relationships with the U.S. The EU and others were on board. Trump unilaterally ripped it up and tried to provoke conflict. Israel, with Biden's help, has been escalating and escalating while Iran retaliates with restraint. Say what you will about their government, but they clearly do not want war. It sounds like Israel is going to escalate again, and Biden/Harris are preparing to drag us all along with no endgame or strategy beyond Netanyahu's political survival.

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

While I generally agree, I don't think it I'd acceptable to overlook Oct 7th and dismiss that. It was an attack orchestrated by Iran.

Their approach seems to be in making Israeli appear to be an irrational actor, which it is.

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u/garlicbreadistight Oct 12 '24

Whether Iran had a role or not, that's Israel's problem. We achieved a diplomatic arrangement with Iran under Obama that served our interests. Israel tried to sabotage it at every step and is now trying to drag us into all out war, which benefits no one but Netanyahu. Harris calling Iran our greatest adversary sounds like she's speaking on behalf of of Israeli war hawks rather than U.S. interests. 

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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24

So many more people have been killed in Palestine… but you can’t overlook a fraction of that as you complete overlook everything since then

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

Here's the thing, I recognise the actions of the Israeli government. I just also acknowledge the actions of Hamas/Hezbolla/Iran. You have to out it all on the table.

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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24

Yea and there is far more death on one side of the table. Acting like these are comparable in scale is ludicrous….

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

I didn't say they were comparable in scale. The initial statement was along the lines of

"what have they ever even done?!"

  • "well this here."

"Well they killed more anyway"

In reality the only one scaling here is you.

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u/darcenator411 Oct 10 '24

You just said you couldn’t forget October 7th. Haven’t they more than killed enough people over that in retribution? How much death is enough for you to decide you can let it go? 100,000?

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

What aren't you getting here, mate?

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u/modernDayKing Oct 10 '24

You’re giving Iran too much credit.

Al Aqsa flood wasn’t even known to many Hamas members outside of Gaza.