r/InternationalNews • u/urban_zmb • Oct 09 '24

International Biden Officials Say Ceasefire Talks Are Suspended as Harris Names Iran Top Enemy

https://truthout.org/articles/biden-officials-say-ceasefire-talks-are-suspended-as-harris-names-iran-top-enemy/
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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 09 '24

I'm perplexed. What is it exactly that Iran alone has done that makes them so bad?

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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24

Bombed Israel. I mean, in an effective and actually dangerous way instead of with hobby-missiles.

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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24

So Iran has been bombing Israel since the 1980s? Was Iran bombing Israel before or after any of the sanctions against them were applied?

That aside, are you saying that if one nation launches an assault on a nation that attacked one of their allies, that makes the first nation bad? By your logic, the Iranians must be justified in describing Israel as the bad guys, seeing as they had just attacked an ally of Iran.

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u/nikiyaki Oct 10 '24

Oh I thought you were referring to just the recent rhetoric.

No, Iran threw off an American puppet (installed after a PM tried nationalising the oil business) and then made being anti-American practically part of their constitution. That's why they're so bad.

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

Oct 7th?

As much as I am appalled by Israeli actions before and since this even, let's not overlook it

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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24

That was committed by Hamas. Not Iran.

Beyond that, what did Iran uniquely do in the decades prior to 6th October that makes them so bad?

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u/--Muther-- Oct 10 '24

Hamas is an Iranian proxy. It isn't really up for debate.

I'm not really a pro-Israeli person, so frankly I don't really know what Iran has done negatively before that. Supporting regional destablisation I guess, but it's not like everyone else is guilt free there.

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u/Michael_Gibb Oct 10 '24

Hamas may be supported by Iran, but they are still their own organisation. They were founded in the 1980s by militant Palestinian Muslims, without any assistance from Iran. It's not like they are incapable of doing anything without orders from Tehran. That's why it's deceptive to call Hamas, or Hezbollah, or the Houthi, 'proxies for Iran.' That phrase perpetuates this misconception that Iran controls these groups, when they don't.

You just touched on exactly the point I'm getting at. No one in the Middle East is guilt free of anything. Whatever accusation you can make against Iran, for example, whether it's support for terrorists, dictatorship, limiting the rights of women, etc., applies to virtually every other nation in the region. It is downright hypocritical to call Iran the enemy but then ally with Saudi Arabi or Israel, when both of those nations have done all the same things that Iran has.