r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Jul 13 '24
International Erdogan: We will not tolerate co-operation with Israel within NATO
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u/speakhyroglyphically Jul 13 '24 edited Jul 13 '24
Jul 13, 2024 - Erdogan Opposes Israel's NATO Partnership Amid Palestine Conflict
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has firmly opposed the continuation of Israel's partnership with NATO, citing the ongoing Palestine conflict.
During a news conference at the NATO summit, Erdogan stated that Turkey would block any attempts at cooperation with Israel within NATO until comprehensive and sustainable peace is achieved in Palestine.
Erdogan's stance underscores the importance Turkey places on resolving the Palestine issue before any NATO-related engagements with Israel can proceed.
Full Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSzHcpgxS5A
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u/Independentizo Jul 13 '24
Good.
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u/mwa12345 Jul 13 '24
Suspect there will be another coup. ..8f Erdogan holds this line.
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u/Independentizo Jul 13 '24
Probably. But the gig is up. Failed coups in Africa and South America. Plus the world becoming far more aware of who the real terrorists are will make it harder. Plus with the US looking to exit NATO under Trump things will fracture even further.
The world is changing. Erdogan for all his faults (and there are plenty) is the leader of his country much like Biden (for all his faults) is the leader of his country. So any coups planned and plotted simply reveal those who are masking their own failures and trying to control a world that knows exactly what they want to do.
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u/mwa12345 Jul 13 '24
Very true. But they sometimes work- still. I mean Khan in Pakistan, for instance.
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u/Zealousideal_Alps275 Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24
Tomorrow will be 8 years since the failed coup attempt in 2016. Some soldiers shot their generals when they realized it was a coup attempt and they are remembered as heroes nowadays.
Turkey is not the backyard of CIA to pull coups whenever they want anymore. They have probably come to accept it. I hope you people also understand it as well.
It makes us furious for you to think of us as some lowly kindergarden of a country where you can change the governments whenever you want (or think CIA can change our governments whenever they want). NO! WE change our governments. Not you! No matter how stupid they are, they will be OUR stupid government that WE choose.
And then we can talk about how stupid they are.
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u/mwa12345 Jul 14 '24
Agree. I wasn't for the coup(s).
If for no reason that this- they are short sighted and there is often blowback
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u/razinator Jul 21 '24
Doubt it will happen, Turks are very aware. We'll crush the over- throwers. No matter what Propaganda is thrown at us...
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u/mwa12345 Jul 21 '24
I agree and hope so
Erdogan is a bit dicey and squeaked by the last election- but moving away from coups is good for democracy. Some foreign entities , while talking a good talk about democracy, will undermine democracy in allies
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u/razinator Jul 22 '24
Yeah, Erdogan can be like the wind, but we have debt and he is sort of chain, but want to break away from America, you can see it happening now which I'm happy about.
You should see the Propaganda on TikTok. Turks that pose as 'Kemalists' that put the Turkish Flag and Israeli side by side and making anti Arab Remarks. It's insane.
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u/mwa12345 Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
Interesting. Wonder if those are Turks are AI generated. Realize e there's some amount of anti Arab racism these days
Edit: typo
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u/razinator Jul 29 '24
I believe they could be AI generated or 12 Year Olds that have no idea what is going on. There is , unfortunately which I am embarrassed by, it's stirred up by the nationalist movement just by observation.
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u/dogemikka Jul 13 '24
At least someone in Nato has the balls to step up against the huge hypocrisy. Although he is not really the person with most authority given that his country has a history of ostracised populations that is rather recent (Armenians and Kurds). But it is certainly a great move and hopefully it will shake some other members.
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u/MrChuckleWackle Jul 13 '24
I see no reason to believe that it is anything more than political theatrics by Erdogan.
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u/Generic-Commie Jul 13 '24
I mean I’m by no means an AKP guy but credit where credit is due, he did cut off all trade with the country
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u/Anything13579 Jul 13 '24
Even if it’s true, it’s a good gesture nonetheless.
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u/MrChuckleWackle Jul 13 '24
The genocide has been going on for over 9 months now. Gestures are not good enough.
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u/half-puddles Jul 16 '24
Great comment that doesn’t state why it’s theatrics. You are full of knowledge.
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u/Ssamy30 Jul 14 '24
He says; as he continues to send steel for weaponry, diapers for his solders, fresh fruits and vegetables and oil to Israel.
He’s a hypocrite. All he had to do was stop his pre-October 7th and ongoing supply line yet he chose not to.
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u/Kilanove Jul 13 '24
NATO would not blink an eye on killing non-European kids, like they did in Iraq, Syria and Libya.
And may I remind you people that the US is the OG of "beheaded babies" move, like the fake testimony of killing children in incubators in Iraq
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u/CompleteIsland8934 Jul 13 '24
Nothing like what Israel is doing…wanton disregard for civilian life and without even a whiff of damage control from a media perspective. Their democratically elected govt is only too happy to not only commit genocide but to be seen doing it and to have proof of the genocide recorded. They wear it as a badge of honor. Even Nazi Germany tried to hide their genocide.
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u/Northstar1989 Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24
NATO doesn't care if you're a Genocidal Fascist. All they want is more guns to point at the Russkies to further Western world domination (or rather, since we already live in a US-owned world, to make this domination a bit cheaper financially...)
More warm bodies to throw at the enemy means less money need be spent on advanced weapons. And they accused the Soviets of treating life like it was cheap during WW2.
Posh. Judt more projection... If FDR hasn't actually valued the lives of Allied soldiers 100x more than Churchill did, and levied MUCH higher taxes on the rich in America than the British did to pay for better armaments for Allied soldiers (Lend-Lease heavily subsidized all the other Allied powers, far more than it did the Communists), the Western death toll in WW2 probably would have been worse than the Soviet one... (let's not forget Churchill was an elitist piece of shit who left the poor of London homeless and starving during the Blitz, was guilty of a famine-genocide in India just to deny the Japanese a potential workforce if they captured Bengal, and turned literal Artillery pieces on striking miners over a decade before WW2...)
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u/GustavezRaulez Jul 13 '24
Nato is Israel lite
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u/ummmmmyup United States Jul 14 '24
Other way around, Israel was a creation of the West and is just following in their footsteps
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u/mkbilli Jul 13 '24
That's why The Atlantic prints pieces calling for a genocide in Russia?
Anyways there won't be a need for NATO once the Ukrainian conflict finishes. It was made primarily to counter Russia and Russia militarily as we know it will be finished one way or the other.
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u/mwa12345 Jul 13 '24
anything that employs Jeff Goldberg should be considered propaganda.
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u/ScreamOfVengeance Jul 13 '24
There will always be another enemy. If there isn't one , an enemy will be created.
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u/Substantial-Phase798 Jul 13 '24
Nato is not aimed to counter Russia. It aimed to exploit world resources for capitalist countires and defend capitalist
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u/GustavezRaulez Jul 13 '24
Officially It is. The reasln for this shitshow is that stupid nato warheads wouldnt Accept Putin when he was shilling hard to join them because he was russian
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u/Substantial-Phase798 Jul 13 '24
Offically, it helps nato capitalist countries to places where it couldnt expolited by Nato capitalist( like Vietnam, before sscb now russia Afghanistan, ırak) to exploit. Unless NATO countries suddenly stop emperialism, there will be Nato interventions to keep their capitalist agenda.
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u/ballysham Jul 13 '24
Last time I looked isreal wasnt in the north Atlantic so why include them in the first place
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u/Teddy-Bear-55 Jul 13 '24
I am thankful that someone in NATO is speaking up against the madness of spreading NATO aggression, even if his motives are not necessarily the "purest"; that doesn't bother me: we desperately need dissent in the US Lap-Dog Club.
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u/Chilifille Jul 13 '24
Weird to see Erdogan as the voice of reason, but I’ll take it. Even though he is a massive hypocrite.
Free Ukraine, Palestine and Kurdistan!
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u/JFHermes Jul 13 '24
Erdogan shouldn't be expected to live up to Western expectations. Turkey is the most reasonable middle eastern actor (despite also being in Europe) and they have had decades of war at their borders. It's pretty difficult to run a country when most of your potential trading partners are fighting amongst each other.
I'm not saying him or his government is perfect, but I genuinely think he does care for Turkey. I don't agree with how he goes after certain parts of the population but he has steady hands nonetheless which is an underrated quality of his.
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u/Ansoker Jul 13 '24 edited Jul 21 '24
I think he cares for Turkey à la Ottoman Empire moreso than a wannabe Mustafa Kemel Atatürk.
Which is why your compliments are valid, but perhaps because they aren't too democratic in the methods used to achieve them and thus, valid but not good.
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u/razinator Jul 21 '24
Free Palestine, Hoping Ukraine is safe no to Kurdistan, they side with he Israelis
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u/G00dR0bot Jul 13 '24
Doing absolutely noting against an apartheid, genocidal, terrorist state and dragging us all into WW3 by escalating war with Russia, the joys of NATO.
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u/TurboCrisps Jul 13 '24
wait wtf UK has a new prime minister? Why haven’t I heard about this more?
Turkey looks out for Turkey, but when a “defensive” alliance encourages a non-NATO member to act the way they have been on Turkey’s doorstep, I don’t blame Erdogan at all.
He’s a despot without a doubt but this looks like an abusive geopolitical relationship.
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u/HolevoBound Jul 13 '24
"wait wtf UK has a new prime minister? Why haven’t I heard about this more?"
Because you haven't been paying attention?
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u/Everso_happy Jul 13 '24
Finally, someone with a conscience and a back bone.
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Jul 13 '24
Trust: Erdogan does not have a conscience or backbone. Turkey was the 5th largest trade partner with Israel and they supplied 40% of Israel's oil every year.
This is just him playing politics.
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Jul 13 '24
And they’re not anymore They cut the trade
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u/Substantial-Phase798 Jul 13 '24
No they are still. Just directing ships to malta and greece for change track.
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u/RoutineEmergency5595 Jul 13 '24
lol. If you think anyone in this political arena is doing anything that doesn’t directly benefit them, then you are a rube.
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u/kjolmir Jul 13 '24
Let's frame this as the "Dumbest take yet... of the year".
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u/mwa12345 Jul 13 '24
No. That was US media pretending the Hannibal doctrine we wasnt put into practice and killed Israelis . Maybe even more efficiently with free weapons from US
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u/nosoter Jul 13 '24
What is the current cooperation between NATO and Israel?
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u/speakhyroglyphically Jul 13 '24
A cooperative partnership that includes Naval exercises, Intelligence etc
Israel is fast becoming NATO's premier partner country. As the alliance's Mediterranean Dialogue program turns 25 this year, enlisting Jerusalem's help to tackle today's security challenges is still a no-brainer: NATO can tap into over seven decades of ...https://transatlanticinstitute.org/analysis/nato-and-israel-are-right-deepen-ties
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u/Fucker_Of_Your_Mom Jul 14 '24
As much as I hate Erdogan, he's right. Israel has been treating the Geneva convention like a fucking to-do list with absolute impunity
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u/Cacharadon New Zealand Jul 13 '24
It's all hot air until USA yanks his chain. Then he'll fall back in line. This is all a performance so his constituents back home are appeased
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u/lucasg115 Jul 13 '24
Just because it’s performative doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Forcing the US to reaffirm their commitment to genocide in the face of less consequential countries condemning it still helps to draw attention. Better to do this than do nothing, like most other countries are doing.
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u/OffensiveCenter Jul 13 '24
Fuck Erdogan with a Kurdish pickle
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u/osbirci Jul 13 '24
a high part of his votes comes from kurdish people. turkey cooperates with iraqi kurdistan region. but I'm sure you know the kurds better than kurds, mate.
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