r/InternationalNews • u/Yakel1 • May 24 '24
Opinion/Analysis Biden and Congress are destroying International Law for Israel
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/05/biden-and-congress-are-destroying-international-law-for-israel/96
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u/pastaMac May 24 '24
At Columbia University, students peacefully protesting genocide were sprayed with skunk water. A common tactic of Israeli forces in the West Bank. This so-called crowd control technic has been exported from Israel. Recently, the president proclaimed [highlight in this post] 'We reject The International Criminal Court’s (ICC) arrest warrants for Israeli leaders.' To which cheers, applause, hoots, and hollers emerged from the crowd – best-case scenario these cheerleaders for genocide do not represent an organic representation of America. Alternatively, many citizens are so propagandized they blindly support their leaders, funding, and arming a foreign power's genocide, while dismissing a world court seeking to prosecute these crimes.
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
Oh most likely everyone in that room is a donor to Biden, AIPAC donor mostly. When biden said "I dont work for you" to a voter when he was running for office I believed him and hes proven that with every action hes made in the last 3 years.
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u/DNSGeek May 24 '24
THe majority of American's do not endorse that view, but peaceful protests have been shut down. I don't think we're ready for a massive uprising -- yet.
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u/girl_introspective May 24 '24
I disagree, respectfully. This is the farthest the Palestinian cause has ever gotten in respect to world awareness, and understanding of the true plight.
You’re right though; we’re not quite there, but it can definitely happen with enough pressure applied.
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u/itsdeeps80 May 26 '24
Funny thing about this is that the American public is pretty untrusting of government officials when it comes to domestic things, but when it’s international we basically devour everything they say while and ask for seconds.
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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt May 24 '24
Israel's American Colonies
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u/Sofialovesmonkeys May 24 '24
“Senator Biden, Israel is not the 51st state”
Dont fall for the antisemitic narrative that USA doesn’t have its own agency. It only hurts the cause
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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt May 24 '24
OK but then I'm neither falling for the narrative that critizising Israel and Zionism is antisemite because it is manifestly false and yes, I'd ike to think that the people of USA has agency, hopefully more agency than those congressmen and senators collecting money from I must say shokingly very real zionist organizations supporting and lobbing for the kind of far right Israel we know today
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u/Sofialovesmonkeys May 24 '24
I have never ever equated Antizionism with Antisemitism and im really hoping you aren’t implying that I am. Check my post history.
Ive been banned/shadowbanned, had ppl make a concerted effort to downvote my posts (to the point where they get deleted) before enough ppl see it. This has been happening for years now as Ive tried to expose Zionist Jim Crow Joe(now Genocide Joe) since before it was too late to replace him with Bernie but libs and fauxgressives were practically telling me to KMS because i was trying to get Trump elected.
I lost sleep at night knowing this was going to happen i would plead with people asking them to care about the Palestinians but nobody believed me. Or they were like “oH thAT wAS ThE PAst”.
Like i would wake up with salt on my face from crying in my sleep.
So i fully endorse the fact that Antizionism is NOT antisemitism
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u/Looney_Swoons May 24 '24
That acronym sounds like something a doctor would disclose to you about having with a concerned look on their face
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u/Riggahz May 24 '24
Meanwhile Israel says they were alone and no one helped them during the holocaust.
The sheer ungratefulness of the blood shed by gentiles to rescue them from they very horrors they now inflict to others.
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u/Krist794 May 24 '24
Meanwhile Israel says they were alone and no one helped them during the holocaust.
It is a well documented fact (Havaara agreement) that Israel had diplomatic relationship with nazi germany during the holocaust. 60'000 jews emigrated to israel out of something like 300'000 request (this number varies depending on the spurce). What is sure is that Israel systematically refused entry to those unable to work or provide capital, such as elderly, children, infirm and sent them back, while being perfectly aware of what was going on in Europe.
While the distinction is made israel as a concept is a nationalist ethnic state born in the late 20th century. It has never been very different from the other dictatorships of the time, and quite clearly is not.
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u/GoNinjaPro May 24 '24
Do you have any further reading about Israel denying Jews entry?
I can't find any information on that part.
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u/Krist794 May 24 '24
Search for fifth Aliyah or Aliyah bet.
Formally the restrictions had to be British, because the territory was under british administration at the time following the destruction of the ottoman empire after WW1 and the Balfour resolution. But in practice the territory was administrated by the Jews that had immigrated there in the previous years carrying out the Zionist plan proposed by Hertz.
Edit: For more information you might want to search for some scholarly documentation, but I can't help you much as I got most of this info from some history podcast in italian.
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May 25 '24
Zevi's followers are the ones that worked with the nazis to force German jews to Isreal. Those that didn't listen to their commands were sent to the camps. Zevi took half the Jewish population with him when they broke from the traditional Jewish churches in 1666 and crowned him a Jewish messiah
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u/Krist794 May 26 '24
That is 2 centuries prior to what we are discussing.
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May 26 '24
Execpt his followers didn't just disappear and the head of his followers had meeting with the Rothschilds and Hitler before World War 2
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u/Usernameoverloaded May 24 '24
Including my brown Muslim grandfather who fought as a British colonial soldier.
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u/LengthinessWarm987 May 24 '24
That's the most pathetic thing most of all, Bibi wants Biden to lose the election but Joe is unable to use second order thinking and pivot.
Bibi hasn't thanked Biden once.
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u/Riggahz May 24 '24
Bro, the United States government with less than a week of notice, gathered a coalition of nations, including Arab nations to shoot down almost all of the missiles Iran sent into Israel, this is an unprecedented move and nothing has been made of it.
Insane.
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u/Mak11556 May 24 '24
I’m guessing the thought process must be that they’ve already paid him so the thanks isn’t needed.
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u/Sofialovesmonkeys May 24 '24
Thanked for what?
Because hes been technically thanking him for a while. 😅 lets go off of facts because its not helping the Palestinians to get into the weeds
Biden met Bibi when he (Biden) was a 32 year old senator on the foreign relations committee. Before Bibis brother Yonathan even died.
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u/AbuZubair May 24 '24
I wonder if Genocide Joe has any cognitive awareness that he will go down with such a horrible and infamous reputation. He has to know the world will remember his term with sponsorship of genocide - no?
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u/Push-Hardly May 24 '24
It seems he has been in important positions of power during most of all the horrible decisions that have been made over the last three or four decades.
So in my mind, he's just rolling in his own shit. I don't think he's capable of cleaning up his own shit. I believe he is under the impression that if he just excretes more shit it will get all better.
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u/_WeAreFucked_ May 24 '24
He probably doesn’t even know he’s president so my guess is he’ll sleep well at night.
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u/Napoleons_Peen May 24 '24
I can’t wait for those debate between Biden and Trump. Two old coots with rapidly declining mental states. Both hopped up on some on Dr Feel Good drug cocktail.
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
Ric Flair is a conservative Ted Cruz fan but id gladly take him over any of the choices we have noe.
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u/LengthinessWarm987 May 24 '24
We live in such a dying empire, I don't think a world leader since the age of incest kings has a world leader looked so "lights are on but nobody's home" as Joe Biden. And we got FOUR more years of this?
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u/strangedanger91 May 25 '24
Last 8 years you mean? The next 4 are going to be much worse, regardless of which incompetent goof wins
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u/strangedanger91 May 25 '24
Back to back worst presidents in American history. That’s impressive America!
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u/umbertea May 24 '24
This has been the case for 80 years now. Let's hope that the horrors of 2023-2024 will be the events that finally instills object permanence in the world community, regarding the inhumanity that Zionism brought into the world.
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u/XForce070 May 24 '24
US was never part of the ICC, destroying means there was something there. International law was never existent for the US. International law, as it stands now, only applies to African warcriminals and leaders of non western oligarchial nations.
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u/vexx2000 May 24 '24
Which is very fucked up to be honest. The U.S has committed war-crimes countless of times since the cold war up to now. This is their get out of jail free card
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
Also depends of which African War criminals or most beneficial to American Interests. Mobutu and most of the leaders of the Congo have been openly supported by the CIA
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u/Szuckit May 24 '24
Nice. It’s not at all that the “iron clad” defence of this monstrous entity has revealed what had long been known about the west and its ridiculous post war institutions- like NATO - which literally absorbed Nazi officials into its ranks. They ain’t destroying shit. If anything this situation has been very clarifying for the rest of us who didn’t or couldn’t see it before.
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
People paying attention saw how little power the UN has over the US during the build up to the Iraqi conflict.
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u/Szuckit May 24 '24
But again my point, the UN being an institution built by Empire to support Empire, is reflected in this salient Iraq example. It’s odd to think they didn’t have the power to stop Empire when their very existence is there to facilitate western global hegemony.
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u/liveforever67 May 24 '24
It’s good to see a subreddit that doesn’t just sweep Biden’s vile actions under the rug.
As an American I want politicians held accountable and most of my fellow Americans are too brainwashed or terrified to criticize Biden. Thus we are stuck with the same terrible choices for president we usually have.
Absolute cowards.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, funding a war which sees innocent civilians killed…with decades of racism. (“I don’t want my kids growing up in a racial jungle “, “You can’t go into a 7-11 without a slight Indian accent “, “Poor kids are just as smart as white kids” , he authored the systemically racist 1994 crime bill. it goes on and on)
Also he can barely string 2 sentences together. This is NOT someone I want anywhere near a leader position.
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u/m1ygrndn May 24 '24
I’m sure that’s why this sub was created, another popular international news sub was heavily censoring news that did not fit their MO.
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u/Mak11556 May 24 '24
He’s been made their bitch and he sure knows how to act like one
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May 24 '24
This makes Americans less safe. This country never stood for anything except capital and I’m tired of pretending it did.
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u/Mand125 May 24 '24
Since when has either country cared about international law?
Not signed on to the ICC means “we like our war crimes more than your dignity.”
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u/Misswinterseren May 24 '24
The world is watching, and they see that the American government is not acting with the support of the American people. Most of us do not not want this. We should not be supporting a genocide. The government of Israel and Hamas are both Terrace organization 2/3 of the people being murdered or women and children, but these men are safe.
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u/Zosimas May 24 '24
OT but why does he seems to start every "paragraph" with "Let me be clear"? Implies he's not clear by default?
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
Hes trying to emulate Obama, he still has deluded himself to think he is as skilled of a liar as he was.
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u/MancombSeepgoodz May 24 '24
Nott destroying it, it already was destroyed by the creation of the UN security council, now the world is seeing how the entire system is bent in the favor of a few nations over everyone else.
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u/Tourquemata47 May 24 '24
Do you want to hand the election to Trump?
Cause this is how you hand the election to Trump!
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u/Charlirnie May 24 '24
Destroying?? its always only been meant for those that oppose US. Do as I say not as I do.
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May 24 '24
There is no such thing as international law, just might makes right. Better learn that whitties for when the facade ends ;)
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u/ahaz01 May 24 '24
We’ve violated every norm and value in this blind support of Israel. Yes, Hamas deserves destruction. But the Israelis have gone to far and resettlement is the only goal that matters now
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u/omitch1995 May 24 '24
America: I don’t know how I could possibly get any worse
Also America: hold my beer
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u/MysteriousPark3806 May 24 '24
The US's bloodlust is disgusting. They don't care who they kill, as long as they're killing someone.
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u/Crime-Snacks May 25 '24 edited May 25 '24
He has exhibited mental faculty decline and the fact that he still thinks this is the same conflict as it was when he entered politics shows just how out of touch he is and should at least concede to Kamala…the raging Republican that can’t be a Republican for being a woman of colour.
At least America CAN TRY to do something right but even if Genocide Joe relinquishes power to Hateful Harris, there really isn’t going to be much of a change because they know the Zionist benefits pad their lifestyle so much that they will take on the ICC
Remember, Kamala wanted to extend prison sentence to use prison labour to fight California wild fires.
Under the constitution, prisoners are deemed slaves.
She wanted this even as a BIPOC person to get all of that lucrative GOP lobbyist money
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My Diatribe is to highlight there is no difference in Politiking between the parties. Most Dems are GOP but knew their career would be easily advanced as a Dem and not GOP.
Genocide Joe still firmly supports the genocide because his religion says so and Zionists remind him of it and pad their bank accounts.
Genocide Joe is so invested in his religion but still supports Hunter? Whom should have been banished based on the Bible and Torah bit because that would affect Joe, that didn’t happen.
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May 24 '24
We are lucky it's not trump! He would be worse
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u/Dineology May 24 '24
If Trump was the one pulling this bullshit then at least there’d be a few opportunistic liberal politicians pretending to care enough to push back against this instead of giving it full throated support. At least then we’d see fewer college kids getting attacked for peacefully protesting and maybe even see the protests able to gain enough steam to accomplish some of their goals. Meanwhile Trump would provide the same level of support and protection, he’d just be more uncouth and crass about it.
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u/cult_of_me May 24 '24
That's because international law is not good enough to handle these terrorists organizations. They found a loophole and they are abusing it.
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u/DeanDeifer May 24 '24
The idea of being a terrorist is breaking international law and all laws.
The idea of being a democracy and a sovereign nation means to follow international law.
If a sovereign nation doesn't follow international law they become on par with the terrorists.
There is no such thing as self defense for an occupying force. This is international law. Hamas, PLO and any Palestinian that chooses to resist against their occupying power is not breaking international law. Israel claiming self defense while occupying is a breach of international law.
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u/DeanDeifer May 24 '24
Do citizens of Gaza and the west bank have the same rights as Israeli citizens? (E.g. freedom to travel, right to work, right to vote)
So long as they don't and Israel refuses to recognise a Palestinian state where they can have those rights, Israel is an occupying power and has no grounds of self defense.
Palestinians under international law are free to shoot any IOF soldier on their land. Because under the internationally recognised borders, Gaza and the West Bank are not Israeli territory. So they are trespassing or occupying.
The blockade has been in place for 30 years. Great job Israel on stopping weapons. /S Time to try a different tactic.
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u/6SucksSex May 24 '24
Israel is being held accountable for its crimes against humanity.
Its genocidal operation in Gaza has even been criticized by the US, which is one of Israel’s few allies, due its violations of international law in Gaza in the West Bank under Netanyahu
The rest of the world recognizes the humanity of the Palestinians, and is justly putting pressure on Israel. The US looks even worse as a result.
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u/Random-weird-guy May 24 '24
Yep, that's how Israel's government is looking from the outside. Like a terrorist organization that has found a loophole in international law to try to justify their own form of terrorism.
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u/GustavezRaulez May 24 '24
It's such a joke that the most expensive army in the world (and its offshoot of fascists in the middle east) can't wipe off the face of the earth a militia a a fraction of their size (40k strong vs 1,5 million each idf and us army), considering said terrorist organization lacks anything going from air support, mechanized vehicles and even modern weapons
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u/cult_of_me May 24 '24
Its not easy identifying fighters from civilian populations. Also lots of tunnels
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u/GustavezRaulez May 24 '24
Its not easy identifying fighters from civilian populations
Hardly a problem for americans or israelis, who don't do it anyway
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u/cult_of_me May 24 '24
Not true. Israeli soldier are actually sacrificing their lives to do this, instead of just bombing indiscriminately
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u/Mak11556 May 24 '24
By hiding in tanks, wearing diapers so they don’t actually have to come face to face with the infants they’re killing or are they sacrificing their lives by indiscriminately bombing protected buildings like schools and refugee camps?
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u/lookaway123 May 24 '24
I know. It's why the world is turning away from America. Macron was right. Americans cannot be trusted to vote for their own interests. The world cannot trust them to do the same for them.
I didn't think Joe Biden would be the one to destroy the American hegemony, but here we are.
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u/cult_of_me May 24 '24
This talk is present since WW2 and america is still going strong. Macron want separatism from the US, he should go ahead and take care if its own citizens security instead of relying on US money.
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u/lookaway123 May 24 '24
Oh dear. You're confidently wrong. That's the worst kind of wrong.
Are you American? Your complete and belligerent misunderstanding of current events seems like a product of that education system. It's ok, little buddy, I promise countries will still talk to you guys. They just won't take you seriously. Like North Korea.
You're not using the word separatism correctly. It's a concept. Would you like plainer language materials to find out how wrong you are, or perhaps some remedial English lessons?
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u/Roxylius May 24 '24
2 millions palestinians are not 20.000 Hamas. Collective punishment is a war crime as per international law. The last time nazi did it, we hanged them in Nuremberg
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