r/InternationalNews May 12 '24

Palestine/Israel Israel Carpet Bombs Jabalia Refugee Camp

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Cows are "relatively happy" too I bet

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u/Moo_Kau_Too May 13 '24

nah, we are pretty sick of watching you humans do this sort of shit.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

Subservience to Hamas which continues to use Palestinians as body armour seems more sheep like to me.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

If human shields is your red line, there's some thing you should check out

https://youtu.be/YVhuKZpnI3w?si=0FISMZ0rhiCocCef

And

https://youtu.be/v8rrfys-Fgc?si=uSvPWk6_ncGfcwQD

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

Please, do not take this wrongly but Whataboutism is not meaningful to me. Like you I do not doubt that war crimes are being committed.

Unlike you I do not believe Hamas is blameless.

It is my conclusion that BOTH IDF and Hamas sides are proving more than willing to commit atrocities.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Where did you gather this fantasy of hamas as blameless in my statement?

You have the right conclusion. Hamas and the IDF have shown and elaborated on their willingness to harm civilians.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24 edited May 13 '24

Your post speaks. I’ll read it again But it seems you offer two examples of IDF willingness to commit such atrocities.

It omits any indication of culpability by Hamas.

So clearly it is not a “fantasy” that you make no mention of the hundreds of Israeli civilian hostages who are being used as human shields since their kidnapping.

Nor does your post mention the millions of Palestinians who were neither warned nor evacuated by Hamas and therefore as consequences were and still are human shield between Hamas fighters and IDF forces who retaliated for the 7/10/23.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Yeah, it's apparent and well documented that Hamas does the same. I didn't even have to ask you for sources. What's swept under the rug is the IDF doing the same exact thing, so I provided those.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

I don’t consider YouTube as “under the rug”.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Conversely, I don't consider YouTube a major news network for reaching the masses.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

That’s seems a very weird position to take in this world of decentralized content sourcing.

Are you not aware that YouTube has more than 2.70 billion monthly active users.

Can you perhaps reference one of what you call a “major news network” that has a larger more global reach.

And news sources - major and minor have YouTube Channels. So just about everything they have is on YouTube.

I think the problem is more likely to be the channel that those who prepare the clips you provided are just not successful at engaging their target audience.

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u/Altruistic-Bobcat955 May 13 '24

If someone is a “human shield” and you shoot them anyway, then fuck you friend.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24 edited May 13 '24

First, please I can see that my opposition to your point of view is upsetting. Try to cope.

Let me put to you from my point of view. Hamas is a military organization engaged in a conflict and executed a military offensive against an enemy. A military force that plans an offensive must consider the likely retaliatory consequences and the risks to itself and to the civilians it is supposedly SWORN to defend.

It requires no special genius to come to a conclusion as to what the IDF will do if attacked. It is pretty obvious that IDF will retaliate. Hamas is required in that case to step up to the duty of care of a professional bona fide military organization and consider how their actions will put the millions of people they say they defend in direct danger.

According to the accepted conventions the commitment of a bona fide military organization is a social contract with its citizens that hold the combatant will sacrifice their lives not just to inflict harm on the enemy but to FIRST defend those whom the swore an oath to protect.

It is in fact the PRIMARY reason the military is ARMED by civilians in the first place.

I think you completely miss this point and ignore the fact that If Hamas is capable of such a skillful and lethal offensive military maneuver it is more than capable of managing its duty of care for Oalisinian civilians as the IDF manages its civil defense duty of care for Israelis.

Hamas and Israel have BOTH instigated lethal hostilities in FULL knowledge of the consequences to civilian lives.

Hamas and the IDF have purposely with malice and forethought dehumanized millions of Palistinians and Israelis who place their trust in them by ignoring conventions and placing noncombatants in harms way.

My conclusion is that the IDF tries to adhere to social contract it has with Israelis. However Hamas has abandoned its own people.

Hamas has clearly denied the moral responsibility of bona fide military force for the security of their own people and abdicated the role to FOREIGNERS.

That is what terrorists do.