r/InternationalNews May 12 '24

Palestine/Israel Israel Carpet Bombs Jabalia Refugee Camp

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Cows are "relatively happy" too I bet

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

Subservience to Hamas which continues to use Palestinians as body armour seems more sheep like to me.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

If human shields is your red line, there's some thing you should check out

https://youtu.be/YVhuKZpnI3w?si=0FISMZ0rhiCocCef

And

https://youtu.be/v8rrfys-Fgc?si=uSvPWk6_ncGfcwQD

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

Please, do not take this wrongly but Whataboutism is not meaningful to me. Like you I do not doubt that war crimes are being committed.

Unlike you I do not believe Hamas is blameless.

It is my conclusion that BOTH IDF and Hamas sides are proving more than willing to commit atrocities.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Where did you gather this fantasy of hamas as blameless in my statement?

You have the right conclusion. Hamas and the IDF have shown and elaborated on their willingness to harm civilians.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24 edited May 13 '24

Your post speaks. I’ll read it again But it seems you offer two examples of IDF willingness to commit such atrocities.

It omits any indication of culpability by Hamas.

So clearly it is not a “fantasy” that you make no mention of the hundreds of Israeli civilian hostages who are being used as human shields since their kidnapping.

Nor does your post mention the millions of Palestinians who were neither warned nor evacuated by Hamas and therefore as consequences were and still are human shield between Hamas fighters and IDF forces who retaliated for the 7/10/23.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Yeah, it's apparent and well documented that Hamas does the same. I didn't even have to ask you for sources. What's swept under the rug is the IDF doing the same exact thing, so I provided those.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

I don’t consider YouTube as “under the rug”.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Conversely, I don't consider YouTube a major news network for reaching the masses.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

That’s seems a very weird position to take in this world of decentralized content sourcing.

Are you not aware that YouTube has more than 2.70 billion monthly active users.

Can you perhaps reference one of what you call a “major news network” that has a larger more global reach.

And news sources - major and minor have YouTube Channels. So just about everything they have is on YouTube.

I think the problem is more likely to be the channel that those who prepare the clips you provided are just not successful at engaging their target audience.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

You are conflating youtubes total reach with that of these videos. Can I find a major news network with more engagement than 4.5 million (the highest viewed of the 2 videos)?

Of course, Google is magic by now.

The top newspaper alone has double that.

The top news channel has 1 million viewers every day.

The top live news channel has 280,000,000 hours watched annually.

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u/swift_trout May 13 '24

You seem to be drowning like Sir Nose in poorly constructed conjecture. Let me help you understand how this works.

A story usually exists in distribution through a news cycle of undetermined length. On Fox News, one of the most watched and least respected cable news network in the United States, the stories in its primetime audience will be viewed by upwards to 1.72 million. News stories aired do not always have a follow report.

So considering that the single news item you refer to (the authenticity and veracity of which is in my opinion specious) has 2 million views.

That is excellent coverage. It may even be well deserved. But as I said I am not convinced of the journalistic integrity of the reporting of the story.

I think your concern is more about WHO Hamas gets to spin this content to. Getting Hamas’ message outside the echo chamber is proving a harder challenge.

You see people are moved to protest by the plight of Palestinians. Much of which happens to be the fault of Hamas.

But notwithstanding the evident improvement in exploiting victim porn and piling on to the business as usual hateful right wing antisemitism, most people I know hold Hamas in disgust that exceeds their palpable distaste for what the Israelis are doing.

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u/Dirty_Delta May 13 '24

Palestinian people have had problems well beyond the creation of hamas.

You keep inferring that whatever I say is in support of Hamas somehow, which is most definitely not a good faith argument or assumption. As is tradition for these discussions

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