r/InternationalNews • u/ObjectiveObserver420 South Africa • Mar 23 '24

International Hamas denounces Moscow terror attack

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/03/23/316342/
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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

I don't see how Palestine will be able to wipe out Zionist ideology without substantial international support, but I hope you're right about that.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Zionist ideology? Like the idea that Jews might have primary political power in an established state? Pretty Israel is a pluralistic democracy where anyone can enter public office regardless of religion, and every citizen has equal rights regardless of religious affiliation, and where the diversity of religious, cultural and ethnic background is far greater than any of the Muslim majority theocracies with which it shares land borders. Take Palestine for example, 99.9% Muslim, the law enforces state execution for apostasy from Islam. Death for being gay. Stoning for being a woman who exercises equal liberties as men. Where support for the genocide of Jews is at about 96% and pretty much always has been. Where two state solutions are universally rejected because the widespread religious extremism across Palestine and most Muslim majority countries dictates that the existence of a non-Muslim state in the Levant is a direct offence to Allah and Islam, violent antisemitism is baked into the Quran and Hadith. #religionofpeace

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

It's weird how you think Israel is a Western democracy while it still engages in apartheid and only survives because millions of Palestinians are disenfranchised.

If Israel were actually a pluralistic democracy without apartheid, Jewish Israelis would be a minority. So no, I do not think that Jews "deserve" an ethnostate in any respect.

The Palestinians had a right to refuse Jewish immigration to their lands at the outset, and they also had a right to refuse the initials 2-state proposals that would see them disenfranchised of their land without reparation.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 24 '24

Only 20% of Israeli Jews are of European origin.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '24

Where did I make any claim as to their origin?

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

When you ignored the fact that Palestinians disenfranchised themselves, both Palestinians and Jews lived in the region for hundreds of years up to British occupation. Palestinians follow a religion that does not allow for the existence of a Non-Muslim power in the Levant holy lands, this is why they’ve rejected every offer for statehood recognition that included Israel existing too. Palestinians disenfranchised themselves

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

That isn't disenfranchising themselves. They were disenfranchised by Israel as Palestinians who left the region before the various wars in the 20th century were not allowed to return.

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u/Mojomunkey Mar 25 '24

Site your sources. Fully expecting the famous 3-panel map that mixes population distribution maps with political maps over decades and deliberately pretends they’re the same thing. Do you enjoy being blatantly lied to a tricked by a far right evil regime that exploits liberal progressive values to brainwash liberal progressives? It’s pretty sad to see. I thought we were better at thinking critically.

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '24

Well, you clearly aren't since all you're spouting is absolute nonsense about people "disenfranchising themselves" and absolving Israel of any blame in the matter.