SO15 new pic

[u/AP-247]

[u/Novel_Sun3870]

This is too much anxiety for Hogni 😭

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Novel_Sun3870]

wait i just noticed hogni is there

can you explain what happened after freya familia got disbanded

i think they were protecting Hestia familia but what are they doing with loki familia?

did freya allowed her childrens to follow loki familia who is going down the dungeon

or was it ordered by guild?

[u/Novel_Sun3870 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Freya Familia is technically not disbanded. They all still serve Freya but you can call it Syr Familia now lol.

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Novel_Sun3870]

yes

i personally want to see the interaction between syr flirting and horn shy love and bell reaction

[u/Lee24422442 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Who doesnt!!!!

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Finn ask permission from Syr to bring the Einhanjar to the expedition

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

oh
why him ? isn't asking for allen or someone else would be more suitable option?

i personally think his chunni attitude is funny with Natsuki subaru voice but he kinda feel unreliable unlike others for some reason

[u/Novel_Sun3870 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Hogni is the kindest among the FF so I guess LF prefers him over the rest.

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Novel_Sun3870]

hogni does seem like someone who will listen over others

cause of his weak personality to crowd

[u/Novel_Sun3870 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Hogni is just a chill guy 😁

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

We will know the reason in vol 15

[u/Empty-Sympathy-6881 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

No need to ignore the fact that Allen or any other FF member hates the Loki fam, so if it was Allen instead of Hogni, he expedition would have been derailed, probably due to Allen attacking Bete or someone else.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

why Allen? I think they need a fighter, not a runner 

[u/seraphimkoamugi → u/Novel_Sun3870]

The fact he is hiding behind Raul who is just as nervous is funny to me.

[u/Niviik → u/seraphimkoamugi]

You can say what you want about Raul, but he's somone people unconsciously rely on, no matter how unreliable he looks.

[u/Farabeuf]

Hogni, Tsubaki and Dea Saint there from other Familias. And 3 elves I cannot recognize. Cannot wait for more info

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Farabeuf]

Man, not just Loki, but the best healer in the city AND some of the best blacksmiths in the city AND a bunch of high level Freya people. [Volume 20 spoilers]The Lower World is fucked if they don’t get them back. I have to imagine Orario will be mustering literally every high level person they have left for the rescue mission. It risks total annihilation of the Lower World’s remaining strength, but they’re fucked anyway so they might as well. It’s gonna be Leon, Bell, Ryuu, the remaining Freya executives (which at least includes Hedin, the Gulliver brothers, and Allen), and maybe even like Mia (if they can get her) going down there to rescue the expedition. But the rescue force being weaker than the original force that went down there is not ideal lol.

[u/yolo8900 → u/Aliensinnoh]

[Volume 20 spoilers]"But the rescue force being weaker than the original force that went down there is not ideal lol." That why i Hope is the team you said+ some ganesha family+ some xenos (at least asterius and the paluda). They need all in xD

edit: and btw, we still don't know where is Ottar. Maybe he didn't go with LF and can join rescue team too

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/yolo8900]

Bring Leon and possibly Ottarl and the rest of Freya familia excutive and Bell and Ryuu doesn't sound weak at all.

[u/yolo8900 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

That why i put the edit, depend a lot if Ottar went with LF or not to say the team is weaker.

If he went with LF then i think you can call rescue team weaker

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/yolo8900]

Leon with UnK is definitely stronger than Ottar. Hedin, Allen, Ryuu, Bell, Alfrigg with UnK are definitely a match for Loki Elite. 

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

I am wondering about Ottar. I was assuming he went. If he went, then that would mean the expedition had 4 level 7s, as well as 5 level 6s (Loki’s 4 plus Hogni). At least one level 5 in Tsubaki.

The rescue force would then have a level 7 (Leon), 4 level 6s (Ryuu, Hedin, Allen, potentially Mia), and a bunch of level 5s (Bell, the Gulliver brothers, and the Ganesha Familia folk).

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Aliensinnoh]

U forgot Allen, Leon probably brought some of the school district teacher, isn't there some who is at lvl 5

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

Ah, you’re right.

[u/Lee24422442 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

Yeah actually

[u/Odd-Display-7227 → u/yolo8900]

It's confirmed Ottar didn't go.

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Aliensinnoh]

wait so which floor did the above party went to ? that they got trapped or stuck on?
60?

and isn't the rescue team weaker than the team that went before?

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

if Ottar and Leon are in rescue team, then rescue team is stronger

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

hmm you can say that but there were 3 level 7 in loki familia as well (newly advanced though)

[u/AlterWanabee → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Leon and Ottar are practically Level 8s already. Maybe just the two of them is equal to Loki Familia executives.

[u/Fun-Response799 → u/AlterWanabee]

They both stronger than trio bro

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Ottar is already stronger than Loki Trio because he can become level 8 with his skill. Leon, Allen, Hedin, Gullivers, Ryuu Bell vs Ais, Bete, Tiona, Tione, Tsubaki, Aki is not even close. 

[u/Lee24422442 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Leon is a little bit more stronger than Ottarl

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Lee24422442]

depends on many factors.

[u/Odd-Display-7227 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

But in every factor (other than defense) Bell thinks Leon is superior.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Odd-Display-7227]

Leon is literally better than Ottar only in attack. Ottar has better defense, Leon has better offence, no other details. Ottar is stronger than Leon at the start of the fight, Leon is stronger than Ottar at the end of the fight. Although if Ottar used Beastification + Hildis Vini from the start, he would of course win. Not that he would, since he likes to suffer before going for the win.

[u/Lee24422442 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

You're right

[u/Novel_Sun3870 → u/Aliensinnoh]

Wait I forgot but the best healer isn’t part of LF correct?

[u/AmarilloCaballero → u/Novel_Sun3870]

She's from Dian Cecht

[u/seraphimkoamugi → u/Aliensinnoh]

Was hoping Allen went too. Wouldve been cool seeing him and Bete killing each other working together.

[u/Arkham_Flare → u/Aliensinnoh]

I wouldn’t say the rescue force is weaker if we are brining Leon and Ottar

[u/AmarilloCaballero → u/Arkham_Flare]

Ottar wasn't in V20, he might have been in the initial party. (Although not being in this picture would potentially hint he wasn't)

[u/Efficient-Car-430 → u/AmarilloCaballero]

One of the vol 20 SS is about Leon and ottar so probably didn't

[u/AmarilloCaballero → u/Efficient-Car-430]

Do we know what is in those short stories?

[u/Efficient-Car-430 → u/AmarilloCaballero]

Never mind just checked a Chinese site for info on it and they're saying finn goes to see ottar so he probably went

[u/AP-247 → u/Efficient-Car-430]

I have the SS. It’s about Leon and Ottar, there’s no Finn

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/AP-247]

That probably took place before they left. Leon and Bell only leave for their trip a short while after the Loki Familia begins their expidition. The Hostess of Fertility SS seems to take place before volume 20, too.

[u/Efficient-Car-430 → u/AP-247]

I know but the beginning of the SS says finn had just left

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/AP-247]

will there be a short description?

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Aliensinnoh]

Ottar + Leon with UnK are literally stronger than the whole original force, even without Bell, Ryuu, Allen, Hedin, Gullivers, Heith, Mia(?) 

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

The question is if Ottar went. He’s not present in volume 20. I don’t know if he’s just somewhere else or if this visual just doesn’t him for suspense purposes. If Ottar went then it shifts to the force that went being much stronger because Ottar and Leon cancel out and then there are 3 other level 7s on the expedition.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Aliensinnoh]

even if Ottar was in the original team, which I doubt, Leon is stronger than him with UnK. since Haruhime can only create 6 tails, that leaves 5 more. Hedin, Allen, Ryuu, Bell, and what, Alfrigg? I think that's perfectly enough to at least match Loki Elite until Leon defeats Ottar. so in the supposed fight, the rescue team is stronger.

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Yeah I suppose Haruhime would go. Gonna be real dangerous for her on the 60th floor though.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Aliensinnoh]

no more dangerous than for Level 2 Amid. 

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Oh I didn’t realize Dea Saint was only level 2. I thought that, given she’s a better healer (very slightly) than Heith, she’d be just as high status as well. Does healing capability not generally scale with level?

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Aliensinnoh]

We can see pretty clearly that healing has nothing to do with level. The first best healer is level 2; the second best healer is level 4. Riveria is at best on par with Cassandra and Nina

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

It will be interesting if Nina join the rescue team, Riveria meeting Nina might be a good plot

[u/Lee24422442 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Yep

[u/unknown537]

Top ten pictures taken before disaster:

[u/Sjandb19]

Bell is about to look like a fucking stud when he rescuers the survivors

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Sjandb19]

if we ignore the fact that Bell is not even a 10% of rescue team power lol

[u/AlterWanabee → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

At full power, he's probably the 3rd strongest aside from the cheats that are Leon and Ottar.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/AlterWanabee]

what is Bell' full power? 

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Grand Bell Limit Off ArgoVesta. Maybe Argo-Ariel if we’re lucky enough to get a floor 37 type situation in volume 21 🙏

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/BedOk8774]

1. Ottar can perform roughly the same attack and Leon can do even more

2. no one would let him charge for so long in pvp

3. Argonaut is charging for active actions, it can't charge a buff

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

After the bs he pulled in SO12, anything is possible at this point.

I answered what Bell’s full power is. He definitely would have time to charge due to plot because he wouldn’t be fighting the spirit? alone.

Ariel isn’t exactly a buff. Aiz can control her wind and if it’s something tangible, Bell can charge argonaut into it.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/BedOk8774]

Bell can only charge what he can squeeze in his hand. The wind simply won't stay in one place due to its properties and will fly away from his hand.

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Either have Aiz control it to stay in his hand or imbue it into Hestia Knife and have Aiz keep it there or constantly resupply it. I don’t know when she loses control of her wind though, if at all.

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/BedOk8774]

I don't even know why you think she can control anything. Her Ariel is a raging stream of wind. The best she's shown is to direct the flow in the right direction, and that still won't help the wind stay in Bell' hand.

[u/ryu1977]

Hogni NO! I hope he is Ok.

[u/seraphimkoamugi → u/ryu1977]

Yeah. Just save Riveria, Gareth, Hogni, Tiona and Raul. The rest can stay im the dungeon.

[u/SpiritualDot6271 → u/seraphimkoamugi]

Don’t forget aki we still want our favorite secondary ship to sail

[u/Silent_Progress_9279 → u/seraphimkoamugi]

What about Finn ?

[u/AP-247]

Anyone know who are the elves at the back? I seen them before but can’t remember.

[u/Grand-Leg-1130 → u/AP-247]

Not too sure, could be from the Freya Familia?

[u/Bellenstein → u/AP-247]

I think they’re a part of Riveria’s Fairy Force

[u/Amazing-Wolf5047 → u/AP-247]

So manga chapter 89 check it the elf seems similar to me

[u/Desperate_Task_4849 → u/AP-247]

Considering the Familia that take part in this expedition they are either member of Loki, Dian Cecht, Hephaestus or Freya Familia. But based on the uniform they wear & their position near Riveria they most probably members of the Fairy Force.

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

Oh so only Hogni were going down there, which mean Ottar still in the city. The rescue party will be good then with Ottar and Leon going down there. If the number 1 healer is in trouble then they surely bring the number 2 in the rescue party

[u/Sjandb19]

NOOOO HOGNI!!!! Please be ok 😭

[u/erbuka]

Pretty cool! So only Hogni is there for FF it seems. I wonder where Ottar is

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

For sure, in the next book, the relationship between Bell and Ais will start (finally, the ice will break) around her heart. And maybe we will get to see her past.

[u/Herald_of_Heaven → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Funny how people have been saying this each book that comes out

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Herald_of_Heaven]

I have a reason backing my claim

A few days ago omori tweeted that the story is about to end in 2-3 books more

If you look into cover of this

You will see ais being the main target again

Which is why I am assuming Bell is gonna save her which may start their relationship

Of course I could be wrong here as well

[u/Empty-Sympathy-6881]

Yeah, I guess I was right when I said that Hogni's absence during Leon and Bell's battle was something that would be revealed in SO 15

[u/Farmaceut7]

Who in this crew can die and not absolutely crush my soul? I... I just dont know... 

[u/Loud-Meal-7906 → u/Farmaceut7]

New named support line members

[u/Sandix3]

Wait does hongi join Loki familia after the current anime events? I don't mind spoilers for SO I haven't come around to read it as of now.

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Sandix3]

No, the synopsis for 15 says they negotiate with Syr to get some amount of former Freya Familia members (who ultimately all still have Freya’s Falna on their backs) to join the expedition.

[u/Sandix3 → u/Aliensinnoh]

Alright thank you 👍

[u/DesertVympel]

Remember when Hogni appeared in S2 & S3 and he looks like a silent badass character with cool drip??

Yeah, I think his kuudere facade would crumble this volume for the others to see lmao

[u/AP-247]

I think the pic is showing the team that goes to the 60th floor, while the others stay at 50th floor. If so the elves at the back have to be at least high tier Lv4.

[u/ImplementExpress3949]

Who are:

the two elves(?) between Anakitty and Riveria and behind Lefia?

the blonde elf to the right of Riveria and behind Alicia?

Newly introduced characters?

[u/Jamesd391]

So Hogni being down there is going to be the thing that forces the Freya Familia to go down into the dungeon

[u/Clear-Priority-6530]

Finally some Loki familia action but I’m nervous about whatever’s awaiting them😭

[u/Grimij_Iiffith]

Please provide a source.

[u/Erllt]

So Ottar is still on the surface?

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Erllt]

In volume 20 he’s not there commentating on the Leon match, so I had really assumed he went.

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Aliensinnoh]

I guessing that he is in security duty replacing Hogni

[u/Aliensinnoh → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

Not Hedin and the Gullivers? Given how much he is mentioned by Leon during his fight with Bell that’s being broadcast through or the city, you’d think if he were there we’d get some sort of reaction from him if he were in the city.

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Aliensinnoh]

Or maybe can also be in the Dungeon for training. If he join the expedition, he should be in the picture since it mostly show the main members.

[u/AmarilloCaballero → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

There is a theory he is being allowed to take on Balor for a level up feat. He may just not be in this picture.

[u/Clear-Priority-6530 → u/Erllt]

The interview with Omori the other day insinuated that you should read SO15 when asked about whether Ottar would rank up soon🤷‍♂️

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

hey i have a question

who will win in a all out Ais and all out bell

i think Ais will win but barely against current bell

[u/yolo8900 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

[Volume 20 spoilers]100% ais, they train again in LN20 and base ais VS base Bell is getting close but ais win all the rounds (Bell has already a bigger strength stat, that's something). And if she use her wind, she win pretty fast (she use it the first day and Bell ask her to use It again the last day). Bell lack buffs like ais wind and avenger, his only Trump card is argonaut but ais wouldn't let Bell charge

[u/BedOk8774 → u/yolo8900]

Realistically, he also wouldn’t be able to use it against her as he wouldn’t be able to see himself as a hero for fighting against her.

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Assuming a fight to the death (because that’s what “all out” pretty much means), Aiz neg diffs Bell with Full Output Ariel before he can react. Even if he levels up to level 6, he still gets one shot. Of course, even in a fairer fight, he loses easily due to the difference in skill and experience.

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/BedOk8774]

What is the meaning of

Neg diffs?

Negative difference?

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

Negative Difficulty. It’s a stupid power scaling term. I apologize for my brainrot.

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

If u count pure strength and Ais without using Ariel than Bell is little bit stronger than Ais, but Ais has experience

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

with ariel
bell will have no chance?

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

He got beat up during his sparring with Ais while using Ariel, he can only withstand 3 attack

[u/Fickle_Weakness4186 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

wait Ais can use Ariel against humans?

oh wait that was avenger

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

As long as it's not using Avenger skill

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fickle_Weakness4186]

base Ais low diffs Bell

[u/BedOk8774 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

the youtube shorts were all wrong 😭

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Hogni is about to get stomped... Finn brings nothing but unluck. 

[u/Dramatic_Club_9876 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

The past 8 months doesn't look great for Loki Familia

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Dramatic_Club_9876]

the past 28 years doesn't look great for Loki Familia

[u/Fantastic_Tart1673 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Sound like stupid to me finn and his team try enter 60 floor . Don't Royman warn how dangerous below 59 floor even Zeus and Hera familia himself need work together to enter 60-71 floor

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fantastic_Tart1673]

Floor 60 shouldn't be very difficult in itself, they were just unlucky enough to meet a demi-spirit there.

[u/Fantastic_Tart1673 → u/Otherwise_Finding_34]

Demi spirit his One things but i prefer the Strenght monster who reside in 60 floor

[u/Otherwise_Finding_34 → u/Fantastic_Tart1673]

the monster level increases by only 1 every 12 floors. following this trend, 

1-12 - level 1

13-24 - level 2

25-36 - level 3

37-48 - level 4

49-60 - level 5

61-72 - level 6

even the floor boss around floor 60 should be estimated as only level 8 (though with a few abilities)

[u/OZARZ]

That is an amazing art full of powerfull adventurers. Nothing bad should happen.... Right?🤣🤣

[u/kswong98]

so you're telling me they had that many support and still got wiped...

with this essentially most of Orario's first level adventurers are disabled, doesn't seem to far from Zeus and Hera's failure i think

[u/Working_Swan_1674]

I was hoping at least bell is in there 😔

[u/decoded-dodo]

I like how Hogni is hiding behind Raul

[u/Due-Negotiation-6916]

Bru this party is litteraly the overpowered party how th do they fail.....

[u/Nearby-Balance2307]

Bete's reminding me of a certain #1