Patriarchy Hoax Opinion

[u/Complex_Memory_7320]

So I have been reading that women were traditionally been opressed by men. Although to some context it is true. Whenever I think about it becomes hazy and I can't digest it. Like my ancestors and many more worked so hard all their lives so that we in present can have a better future, just to be called oppressors in modern times. Also for marraiges were women weren't treated fairly there were also men who got women like that. So it's basically comes down to like there are good people and bad people. Also now I see many countries that have baised laws have their birth rates below 2.1 . Breaking the family unit apart is the best way to break us apart in future. I guess many of us had a decent family to teach us things from both perspectives. I can't speak on this way more although I guess it would be mundane. I don't mean to come out as offensive to anyone just my thoughts and want to know about it from different perspectives.

Edit 1 :- Thank you everyone for sharing your perspective I'll try to look into each one. Also again a heartful thank you for letting me now the insights. Try to keep a unbiased view. Wish you a great time ahead. Edit 2 :- I'll be closing this thread after few days. Got much needed insight .

[u/gringo-go-loco]

The nuclear family is indeed beautiful but making it the default path in life when many people will never be able to achieve it isn’t healthy overall. Many people chase this dream and fail either due to divorce, finances, or some other factor that cant be controlled. When that happens people become miserable and feel like they’ve failed. It’s like a carrot on a stick and some people get the carrot and others don’t but due to social conditioning we’re all starving for the carrot and ignoring the other fulfilling options. People make utterly stupid decisions, rushing into marriage or having kids when they’re not ready and it makes their life a nightmare.

[u/Basic-Revolution-447 → u/gringo-go-loco]

people become miserable when they fail to get it, because as i mentioned it is one of the most beautiful things life has to offer. it is completely healthy to make it the default path, because it has been for thousands and thousands of years. i also mentioned that in todays society it is a risky move for men due to the reason you listed. i don’t understand the point of your comment, its like you’re fighting your subconscious knowing that i’m right with some bs watered down version of what i said.

[u/gringo-go-loco → u/Basic-Revolution-447]

The reason some people never obtain that “dream” is because it’s not really their dream, just the one that society has conditioned them to think they should have. Society shouldn’t push any particular path as anymore valid than the other. People shouldn’t feel like failures for not having kids, getting married, or obtaining financial success. The world is a beautiful and amazing place. Not everyone needs to be tied down, wife, kids, etc. It feels right because we’re told our entire life that it is THE way and the entire time we’re denying ourselves the joy of living life and being free to explore and experience new things.

If kids and a wife are what you want great. It’s beautiful but it’s not the only thing of beauty in this world.

ETA: the definition of insanity is trying to same thing over and over and expecting different results. If you keep chasing the dream of the nuclear family and fail to obtain it maybe it’s time to chase a new dreams

[u/cvzero → u/gringo-go-loco]

Show me a society which can survive when let's say 80% of people don't have kids and the remaining 20% are having only one or two.

[u/gringo-go-loco → u/cvzero]

Your mistake is the assertion that we live in a healthy and free society already. America is basically crumbling and it’s not because there aren’t enough people having kids. Most of our problems stem from a lack of resources due to unnecessary paywalls many people can’t afford to cross. People work too much for too little.

People aren’t having kids or chasing the “American dream” because that dream is unobtainable for most people. Fix the economy so it works for more people and you’ll see people have more kids.

Overall america is the richest country on earth for a few and a 3rd world nation (or worse) for most of the others.