r/wec Dec 29 '21

SuperGT/DTM How are gt500 cars so fast?

So my question is basically this, how are gt500 cars so quick while still looking like normal cars. I mean the lmp1 cars looked crazy and ppl tell me that the gt500 cars would be faster at Fuji speedway so how is this possible.

Also if the gt500 regulations really are that good at speed then why weren't they used as a basis for lmh regulations? We could have had silhouette hyper cars going insane speeds.

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u/hasthisusernamegone Dec 29 '21

Who is telling you this? A quick Google shows the 919 and TS050 were lapping around the 1:23 mark, while the GT500 outright lap record is 1:27.1.

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u/DismalMode7 Dec 29 '21

infact gt500 able to match old lmp1 timelaps at fuji is a fake myth carried on mainly by people who knows little about gt500/lmp1

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

Depends on which year LMP1 you are talking about. Prior to 2015, GT500 was almost equal to LMP1 at Fuji, afterwards, 2-5s slower, depending on a year, with qualifying and race laps being proportionate.

Which is quite impressive for a car that's 200kg heavier, much less powerful, and not as aerodynamic as LMP1, while costing much less. And remember that GT500 got pegged back almost every year, just as LMP1.

GT500 slots somewhere between the fastest LMP1 hybrid, and the fastest LMP2, with LMH close behind.

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u/DismalMode7 Dec 29 '21

actual gt500 specs debuted in 2014, so it's pointless to compare it with different cars of previous seasons...
2014 fastest fuji gt500 pole: 1.28.8
2014 lmp1 pole: 1.26.8 (which is an average time, absolute time was faster)
2015 fastest fuji gt500 pole: 1.28.0
2015 lmp1 pole: 1.22.7 (again average time, not fastest absoute time)

gt500 cars were about 3 seconds slower even in 2019 when toyota was heavily nerfed by the new handicap system.

It's not an opinion, it's a fact... people who thinks that gt500 timelaps were comparable to lmp1 timelaps are just people who don't know what they're writing about... it's just a fake myth that pops up here and there sometime.
And you're wrong about the power... gt500 had powers close to 700hp in first years of introduction of NRE engine that went down to the actual 650hp only later with progressive fuel flow rate cut, while 2014-2019 hybrid lmp1 were in the range of >1000hp only during hybrid boost (that couldn't go over a certain amount of cumulative MJ according to the track length) normally their ICE power was in the range of 600hp and those times are actually conservative since lmp1 drivers had to lift off all the time at the end of long straights.
In their short golden age 2014-2017, work lmp1 were just on a league on their own... slower only than f1.

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

Thank you for the downvote, and for proving my point.

Also, it was foolish of me to not read the username before replying....I bow before you, steely eyed missile man! May the downforce be with you!

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

I get paid five rubles per upvote. And you did confirm my point (provided your numbers are correct) - GT500 is 2-5s slower than LMP1, and almost equal to pre-2015 LMP1.

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u/DismalMode7 Dec 29 '21 edited Dec 29 '21

you just confirmed how stupid is to compare 2014-actual gt500 cars to pre-2014 lmp1... complete different specs of different ages... according to your silly logic why don't we compare also suzuka timelaps of actual gt500 with old groupC? lol.Whatever you get paid or not, are undeserved money.

If you want to compare pre-2014 lmp1, you need it to compare to pre-2014 gt500 as well, that comparison makes sense since petrol lmp1 cars were using same NA engines specs of gt500 cars, but you're too ignorant to know details like that...

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

That's an interesting way to twist and interpret my words. I guess English is your 3rd language or something.

But let's forget all that; tell me, what color is your underwear?

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

You don't know what color is your own underwear? But please, do continue about ignorance.

And please, whisper "downforce" to me, just one more time. I love it when you do that.

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u/kinto--un Dec 29 '21

I love it when you talk dirty!

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