r/socialism • u/FantRianE Libertarian Socialism • Sep 25 '24
Activism Israeli police assaults peaceful sitting orthodox Jewish protestors against Israel's genocide and mobilisation.
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u/pleachchapel Sep 25 '24
If you're not Jewish, criticizing Israel is antisemitic. If you are Jewish, they just beat you up I guess.
Either way, don't criticize Israel.
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u/LeftyInTraining Sep 25 '24
They also call you a self-hating Jew, which is essentially just another way of saying you're antisemitic.
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u/pleachchapel Sep 25 '24
Bibi is infallible. Disagree with Bibi? Straight to jail.
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u/Rouserrouser Sep 26 '24
It is called Fuehrerprinzip. Main political doctrine in IsHell and its mothership Fourth Reich America.
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u/ConstantGeographer Sep 26 '24
And Trump loves Bibi. Everyone who thinks Trump is going to make this situation better is asking to throw a match on kindling.
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u/CFN_Retro Sep 26 '24
The word “Jew” can be used as a slur. You should probably say “Jewish people” instead. But fuck Israel
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u/silverking12345 Socialism Sep 26 '24
Classic "No true Scotsman" bullshit courtesy of the IDF.
"True Jews support the genocide of Palestinians. Jews who do not support the genocide of Palestinians are not real Jews".
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u/TrueStalinistPatriot Sep 26 '24
Zionism is based on the belief and acceptance of the stereotypes of the "weak jew" it's goal is the creation of a new "race" of strong Jewish people
Zionism is inherently anti-semitic
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Sep 26 '24
Izrahell needs to be criticized everyday, in every time zone, until they stop their genocidin' ways and cease to exist as a political entity.
Palestine will be free from the river to the sea! 🇵🇸✊🏼🔻⚡❤️🔥
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Sep 25 '24
If you made this clip in black and white, it would look like it was taken from Nazi Germany in 1935.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Sep 25 '24
We've really reached the "If you don't support fascist violence against Jews, you're an antisemite!" stage of this delusion.
Life and satire have merged.
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u/150c_vapour Autonomous Network Actor class=human Sep 25 '24
Zionism != juadism. It is fascism though.
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u/Cracked_Actor Sep 25 '24
Fascism is just like porn, hard to define but you’ll know it when you see it…
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u/AnalystReasonable748 Marxism-Leninism Sep 26 '24
Calm down guys. This is just democracy.
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u/FantRianE Libertarian Socialism Sep 26 '24
Liberal democracy, work within the framework we created or perish.
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u/AreYouFuckingSerious Sep 25 '24
Israeli cops must be attending training in the US
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u/FantRianE Libertarian Socialism Sep 25 '24
Nope in fact Israel trains US cops. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/12/how-the-us-and-israel-exchange-tactics-in-violence-and-control
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Sep 26 '24
It’s more that US cops and the IDF train each other. Keep in mind that the US is the one pulling Israel’s strings to begin with not the other way around.
The institution that trains them happens to be American funded and sanctioned anyway so, in all honesty, it is the US that is the one teaching them both.
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u/Bessantj Sep 25 '24
Some Jews in Israel are not the correct type of Jew. Fortunately for them they have the police to correct that.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Sep 25 '24
The Israeli government doesn't like Jews. They like right-wing Zionists.
If you're a Yemenite or Ethiopian Jew, you will commonly face discrimination. If you're a Jew who doesn't support the occupation, you will face harassment and violence. Even if you're a holocaust survivor struggling with trauma and poverty, the Israeli state will often abandon you.
The state of Israel is no friend of Jews. They like Christian Zionists much better than the numerous Jews who don't fit their racist colonialist narrative.
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u/3opossummoon Sep 26 '24
It's almost like some kind of centuries old colonial empire is the force behind the existence of the modern country of Israel!
The British army occupied Jerusalem on Sunday, 9 December 1917, and withdrew on 14 May 1948. During its brief imperium in the promised land, Britain kept the promise made in 1917 by its foreign secretary, Arthur James Balfour, in the Declaration that bears his name, "to favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people".
Like... As an American Jew who received many years of supplemental religious education and whose family came to the US during the pogroms (40ish years before the Holocaust) idk how to not be aware of the deeply problematic and racially charged history of that land. I'm not entirely convinced the land itself isn't cursed at this point, so much hatred and blood has been spent to keep power over it for literally thousands of years.
What I do believe is that the modern state of Israel is a ball and chain keeping my people shackled to an ancient past we've grown beyond as a people and to a recent history that we should be fucking ashamed of. If this is the only Israel we can build, we do not deserve Israel.
We as a people deserve the same autonomy and self determination as any other ethnic group but like... my rights end where another person's autonomy begins.3
u/silverking12345 Socialism Sep 26 '24
The land is cursed? Sounds like God isn't done punishing the Jews and the heretical state of Israel is doomed to begin with!
Jokes aside, yeah... the Levant region is truly the hotbed of conflict that just can't seem to be kept in peace. With how things are going, the Palestinians are screwed.
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u/thinkbetterofu Sep 27 '24
if everyone just blinked and became a syndicalist i feel like a lot of these disputes would be simplified into - who cares, were all human, lets jointly take care of the land its life and each other
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u/3opossummoon Sep 27 '24
I wish more people thought like that. We only have this one planet, y'know? We all have to share it.
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u/thinkbetterofu Sep 27 '24
exactly, more are and can, especially this new generation. things can be alright if we work towards it
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u/Dream0tcm John Brown Sep 26 '24 edited Sep 26 '24
You're misconstruing the situation. Haredi Jews are protesting conscription on the basis of their faith, not because they care about Palestinian genocide. Haredi Jews largely still support the IDF.
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u/Natural-Garage9714 Sep 25 '24
A song everyone should learn and teach to the next generation. The police are bastards, anywhere on this planet.
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u/englishmuse Sep 26 '24
Why would anyone actually want to live in Israel? It's a culture of death, war, protest, and disunity.
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u/watermelonkiwi Sep 26 '24
Lots of Jewish Israeli people have been brainwashed into thinking anti-semitism outside of Israel is so strong there’s nowhere else to live.
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u/FantRianE Libertarian Socialism Sep 26 '24
The same reason white men wanted to live in 1900's America ( with the depression being the only exception )
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u/Itstaylor02 Democratic Socialism Sep 26 '24
The whole state needs to be rebuilt
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u/SeaBag8211 Sep 25 '24
Awe yes, Isreal's God given right to defend its self from, checks notes, Jewish people.
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u/ConclusionDull2496 Sep 25 '24
Statist mind control is a scary thing. Gotta love that government boot of authority.
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u/rocksinthepond Sep 26 '24
"Those were antisemitic Jewish protestors" The Israeli or American press, take your pick.
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u/JadeHarley0 Sep 26 '24
Armed bodies of men created by one class to oppress and control the other classes. Here we get to see that in all it's awful gory detail.
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u/fluiddruid87 Sep 26 '24
An occupying military force that will always resort to violence if they don’t get their way. Fuck the police.
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Sep 26 '24
The beacon of freedom and democracy in the Middle East. Good to know that our 3.8 billion is going to the right people. Not our own, the state of Israel. Wonderful. /s A reminder- Israeli police forces train our police officers in cop cities around our country. So this will be coming to you soon in a city near you. When they were talking about foreign interference in our politics, of course they highlight Russia and China, they always leave out AIPAC and Israel.
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u/maxterminatorx Sep 26 '24
I just give a quote from a Soviet Documentary "Zionism before the curt of History" : "if the government bullies other nations sooner or later they will start to bully their own people" something like that
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u/EatandDie001 Sep 27 '24
It’s so ironic that they’re doing everything similar to the ones they hate.
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u/ExoApophis Sep 25 '24
Any word on Israel joining Brics or not? Considering that they're finally being held accountable in the west for the shitshow?
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u/DeliciousSector8898 Fidel Castro Sep 25 '24
Bro what are you taking about. On what planet is Israel being held accountable.
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u/HikmetLeGuin Sep 25 '24
How are they being held accountable by the West? If anything, it's non-western countries like South Africa who are doing much more to pursue accountability.
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