r/socialism • u/SocialUrbanist Karl Marx • Dec 10 '23
Anti-Imperialism Let the minority do the dirty work
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u/BlueLanternSupes Eco-Socialism Dec 10 '23
It's funny how John Bolton is hovering behind Condoleeza Rice as if a genocidal grim reaper.
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u/LiatKolink Dec 10 '23
More 👏 African 👏 American 👏 genocidal 👏 maniacs! 👏
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Dec 11 '23
Uncle Toms always come in handy to the empire.
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Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 12 '23
Yeah. And the oppression of black women was literally needed to make this country what it is today. My own history books in school said so. They admitted that without slavery which affected the enslaved women the most and their plight ignored as per patriarchy and as per white patriarchy, the country wouldn’t be what it is today. And it’s sucks. They’ve always used uncle toms. One black nurse guy who was a “friend” told me how he would’ve sold me back in the day, because he sent me a video about how black women have “came up” and are close to out earning black men and I said that yeah we worked for that nothing was given and we weren’t even competing we were/ are just trying to survive … especially in a patriarchy but he loves black women tho lol
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u/KatzPajamz Dec 10 '23
I noticed this, too.
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u/Peter_Isloterdique Dec 10 '23 edited Dec 10 '23
The Colonialists always deployed "token figures" from the minorities to legitimize the Empire. The Portuguese had an entire mixed-race class of public employees during slavery in Brazil.
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u/OriginalDonAvar Dec 10 '23
Yeap, all about optics so the racist imperialist agenda isn't as evident. These smart life-time politicians probably knew what was happening too.
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u/leocaruso Dec 11 '23
As a Brazilian I can confirm that you are absolutelly right.
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u/Peter_Isloterdique Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 12 '23
Like the fascist movements in the 1930s, composed by "pardos" (mixed-race) and the current conservative rebirth, where many components belong to that group (the infamous "nazipardos", brown mfs that don't have a mirror at home).
Of course that race is something that has always been weaponized by the white ruling class of the country, and sometimes blurring the line between white and non-white is always interesting. Like the US making Italians, Iberians and Irish white as soon as they started noticing cross-racial solidarity within the working class.
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u/Raihokun Dec 11 '23
They did this all the way up to the Angolan and Mozambican wars of liberation, too; particularly as part of the Estado Novo’s efforts to integrate them as part of the metropole.
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u/LightYagamiChan Dec 12 '23
yep, they did the same thing in native tribes in the US, they would have a mixed race native speak for all of us.
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Dec 12 '23
I’m so glad that other people are noticing it as well 🥹 I’m like oh great so they use whatever token they could find to further push their agendas of globally enslavement. People who are like me don’t get a voice in this.
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u/Ok_Confection7198 Dec 10 '23
always make tokanism minority group do unpopular thing, than promote the narrative that minority group are incompetent on mainstream state propaganda. Than sit back and let white supremacist claim superior culture and immigrant ruining the country narrative flow; and once again the oligarchy guaranteed status quo and infighting gridlock any social progress.
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u/k-dick Dec 10 '23
You're looking for whatifalthistory
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u/colaturka Dec 10 '23
I'm looking for an answer. Thanks for your non-answer.
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u/justicecactus Dec 11 '23
Lol look you can promote your shitty opinions, but don't lie. You were not looking for any answer whatsoever, or looking for any type of good-faith discussion. Go back to 4chan or whatever cave you came out of.
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u/WaveAgreeable1388 Dec 10 '23
Liberal identity politics summed up: ”we have come such a long way. In the old days, a white elite enabled genocide. Now, an ethnically diverse elite enables genocide.“
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u/rodrigl Dec 10 '23
Can someone tell what are they voting on?
I only know a couple of them.
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u/archosauria62 Marxism-Leninism Dec 10 '23
First one is US voting against a ceasefire in gaza
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Dec 10 '23
2 and 3 I'm guessing you know are Iraq
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u/rodrigl Dec 10 '23
The 3rd is for sure, the 2nd is around the same time, but it might be on a different subject.
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u/rooimier Dec 10 '23 edited Dec 10 '23
4th is Linda Thomas-Greenfield, current conflict, but in October with "humanitarian pauses" as goal.
5th is Susan Rice, 2008-2012 ish I'm guessing, which would make it Cast Lead related.
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u/lil_wage Marxism-Leninism Dec 10 '23
That would be appreciated added context for sure, but I don't think that level of detail is all that relevant, one can look at the big picture and still draw powerful meanings
The sign shows they are voting in the interest of the United States, and I think that's enough context since we all should have a formed opinion on what the United States has done to the world, and in this case, especially to minorities.
My view is that America is the thumping heart of racism on planet earth, due to them being the single most successful colonialist experiment, and colonialism being such a racist endeavour. and to see them deploy their minorities in these roles while being that international beacon of racial hate, is by itself something worth thinking about.
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u/rodrigl Dec 10 '23 edited Dec 10 '23
The sign shows they are voting in the interest of the United States, and I think that's enough context
Even if I trust the source, I never take anything for granted, just because someone says that it is.
We should be given the facts, and the valorization is up to each one of us.
Lack of critic spirit by everyone is what allows injustices to go ignored.
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u/EditorPositive Syndical Anarcha-Feminist Dec 11 '23
I’m seriously sick of people acting like POC representation in government automatically means there’s progress. If the representation consists of genocidal maniacs and war criminals, then there’s no progress.
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u/statsgrad Dec 12 '23
It's their method to quiet down the opposition, it gives libs something to feel good about.
"Oh you don't like Bush bombing the middle east? What if a black guy did it instead?"
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u/balrog687 Dec 10 '23
Indigenous people have a name for this. It's called "yanacona" which has several meanings, like "traitor", "coward" and "servile".
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u/aquarian-sunchild Dec 11 '23
Black folks have names for it too and they aren't nice.
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u/Azerty72200 Dec 11 '23 edited Dec 11 '23
So if you're a peace of shit acting for the powerful but you're from a minority it's somehow worse?
The neonazis are also using the term "race traitor," to designate white people acting for minorities against the far-right, does it make sense then?
I don't think it does.
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u/flatcologne Dec 11 '23
If your group is being stepped on there’s a much greater need for solidarity than the other way around, since if people are broken off by the allure of money/status they can play to the tune of those who don’t have their group’s interests at heart to much worse consequences.
The word used is often ‘native informant’ because it always tend to be the weaker side (natives rather than colonists) who suffer a lot of someone breaks off in this way; the stronger side doesn’t really care or notice when it happens.
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u/aquarian-sunchild Dec 11 '23
I think you're assuming I disagree with the initial comment. I don't. I'm just saying that the names exist but I wasn't interested in saying them.
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u/Azerty72200 Dec 11 '23
I'm assuming you agree with the initial comment, and I'm responding to both.
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u/Jccali1214 Ernesto "Che" Guevara Dec 11 '23
And the fact that they so willingly do it for power and prestige. Makes me sick
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u/cellorc Dec 11 '23
Bolsonaro did that here in Brazil during his administration (2019 - 22). He put a black guy to be the president of a institute responsible for looking for the black people rights (instituto zumbi dos palmares). The black guy choosen by him was openly "no rights for black people". Doing that he could legitimate his policies without being flagged as racist since it was a black guy doing it.
Malcolm was right on his speeches about the representative policies. Not always positive for black people. Not always enough to fight racism. They pick black people to be a shield.
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u/glmarquez94 Dec 10 '23
Chairman Fred Hampton said it best: https://youtu.be/DviCUygm3eM?si=vxNTpzu4PIcTZker
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u/Poems_of_ArsenyT Malcolm X Dec 11 '23
Ultimately where identity politics through a bourgeois liberal lens, in a capitalist society, will lead you too
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u/AstronautShort3172 Dec 11 '23
They do the same thing on the news. Every time major media outlets want to report racist rhetoric(or rhetoric that toes the line of racism) they pull out the black newscaster. It's also why they fund militias in Rwanda to murder and enslave Congolese people for their resources... Can't have a white person being the face of genocide.
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u/GordionDugumu Dec 10 '23
I remember there was a very vicked stroy about the 3rd photo but I dont remember what was that.
Is there anyone who can lighten me up ?
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u/fuzzyshorts Dec 11 '23
"This is America and white folks been grabbing at that brass ring since day one. Only fair that I get some of that good life too." /s
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u/KTB85 Dec 11 '23
Damn! I thought it, but didn't say. If this is a seat at the table, I'd rather dine elsewhere.
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u/Lonely_Jacket4962 Dec 17 '23
I kinda disagree with the post ,Doesn’t matter black or white , bad people are bad people
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u/Dirty_Spore Dec 11 '23
Talk about tyranny...
Can't the global south + BRICS just stop all trade with the Western world, specifically America? If you hit America's pocketbook, they may start behaving, but only if everyone follows suit; doing it individually is too dangerous, but if everyone does it at the same time, America doesn't have enough troops to go to war with 100+ countries.
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u/zyltek Dec 11 '23
some countries propably voted for the ceasefire because they knew what usa would vote for and spared themselves from the hate. Dirty world
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